Indeed. As per my question above - - Wrath of the Barclay

Indeed. As per my question above -

the Tories' collapse and death in Scotland is a fairly major part of how we got to here. Slightly odd to focus on Labour and their failings in Scotland when apportioning blame - bigger question is surely what on earth happened to the Conservatives up there.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on September 8th 2014 at 14:49:46

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Sweaty Independence, NBTTT - this is a well written piece, enjoyed it: (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Sep 8, 13:42:03
- it's a very funny piece (General Chat) - matt in london, Sep 8, 18:03:32
- This is good and it chimes well with my "what the *actual* fuck??" feelings (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:28:18
  - It started with Thatcher and her arrogant disregard for Scotland. And ironic that the (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Sep 8, 14:45:31
    - Maybe, but, as the writer of AB's piece says, the Labour government then allowed the SNP (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Sep 8, 15:31:36
    - I think devolution and the Edinburgh parliament was their attempt to 'correct' that (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:47:39
      - Right on both counts, it was intended as a sop to Cerberus (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:57:19
- good piece. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:24:11
  - It's good that the UK never has to borrow money (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 8, 14:47:20
    - *pfft* (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 14:51:49
  - They also forget who bailed out RBS and HBOS, both of which would have been.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:42:49
    - yep, forgot about them! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:49:31
- They have the chance to never to be governed by the Tories/Bullingdon Club (General Chat) - Brandonio, Sep 8, 14:20:53
  - The only reason we're here now is because Scotland grew sick of Labour. (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:29:43
    - that may be true but (General Chat) - Brandonio, Sep 8, 14:31:00
      - Classic combo though, innit (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:33:32
        
        Plus stupid people voting (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:48:37
    - Blair and Brown have a lot to answer for...... (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:30:37
      - In the end, it is actually the Tory party that have failed to maintain any meaningful (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:44:09
        
        Thatcher has a huge share of the blame (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:52:35
        
        Not totally true - in 18 general elections since 1945....... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:51:53
        
        Indeed. I'm talking about the past 20 years (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:54:18
        
        A lot of Tory voters defected to the SNP, funnily enough (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 14:59:18
        
        tbf the SNP argument isn't terribaly different to the Eurosceptic Tory argument on Europe (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 8, 15:08:42
        
        Absolutely (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 15:14:44
        
        And yet Salmond was once thrown out for being too left wing! (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 8, 15:05:11
        
        Thatcher I'd guess (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 8, 14:59:01
        
        irn bru snatcher. (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 15:07:33
        
        i think you're right.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:51:48
      - Yep. They may well have guaranteed a Tory Government in England for the next millennium. (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:31:39
        
        nope, wont happen. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:33:29
        
        I think you're missing the point Chelts. (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:34:54
        
        Something that I saw.... (General Chat) - Adster, Sep 8, 14:40:42
        
        This isn't actually true (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:38:49
        
        Yep, my bad - see reply to CWC below. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:46:05
        
        i DO get your point..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:38:02
        
        not true (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 8, 14:37:59
        
        There's only 1 Tory MP in Scotland and over 40 from Labour..... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:48:16
        
        Indeed. As per my question above - (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:49:46
        
        Ironically they do much better under the PR system up here.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:54:01
        
        It's interesting how many people south of the border think this is true though (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:46:04
        
        There are two reasons why people in England haven't engaged with it (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:49:44
        
        Ah (General Chat) - norway, Sep 8, 14:45:41
        
        This is why labour never like the constiuency boundaries being re-drawn.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:59:57
  - but..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:25:04
    - Too right - the Salmond and Sturgeon show, god help us! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:33:52
  - Do you know your crass and ill informed that sounds!? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Sep 8, 14:25:04
    - just an opinion! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:25:57
      - oops, wrong place! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:26:28
- If we were given a vote to seperate london from the rest of the UK, or perhaps Angular (General Chat) - megson, Sep 8, 13:51:23
  - There was a discussion I heard this morning, and (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, Sep 8, 14:06:18
  - Let's vote off Suffolk and sell it to Qatar (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 13:57:36
    - The Cornish will be next (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Sep 8, 14:03:28
      - you can have York (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 14:09:20
      - They'll put an export tax on pasties (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 8, 14:07:38
    - Can they re-draw the county boundary before they do? (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, Sep 8, 14:01:42
- It would be funny as it would piss off the Rangers' fans (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Sep 8, 13:50:33
  - A Scot said to me the other day that the easy and instant way to guarantee a no vote (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 14:22:05
    - Fuck the pair of them, Celtic are suffering from having ni genuine challenge, they're dre (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 8, 15:21:56
      - vmt (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 15:30:44
    - trouble is....that'll piss off most english/welsh clubs in the champs and lower (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Sep 8, 14:28:18
- but the United Kingdom will carry on as there's still the Taffs for the English to lord it (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 13:49:06
  - and the North. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Sep 8, 13:54:15
    - you're still English so suck it up and deal with it (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 13:56:05
- Scottish Daily Mail (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 8, 13:48:54

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