In light of the recent news stories have been reading a bit about this Scottish referendum

Frankly I find it utterly staggering that we have managed (almost it seems without realising because I think everyone was so complacent about the outcome) to allow ourselves to be on the brink of a vote of such absolutely enormous constitutional importance (from which there will no doubt be no turning back) based on so little evidence or information about how the hell it will actually work if Scotland votes yes and what the knock on effects will be.

Its a bit frightening if you ask me. Alex Salmond seems to be running around with his "white paper" which appears to be 90% fantasy (a sort of pick and mix of the kind of things he would like to keep/have without even though its not his decision), stirring up public sentiment and our bunch of hapless idiot politicians seem to be aiding his cause more than resisting it. Now we have the embarrassing spectre of our politicians trying to bribe the already heavily subsidised Scots with even more goodies so they don't vote to break away thus no doubt stirring up English resentment.

I have nothing in principle against the Scots having a vote over independence and frankly if they want to go it alone then so be it but at least lets do it on a properly informed basis in terms of what it means for both side of the border. The level of debate has been appalling and the whole thing is starting to smack of an almighty shambles as panic sets in that they may actually vote yes.

Posted By: Jim on September 8th 2014 at 10:22:49

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In light of the recent news stories have been reading a bit about this Scottish referendum (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 8, 10:22:49
- I was in Inverness all of last week... (NCFC) - Jim Nasium, Sep 8, 11:39:42
  - the more English Labour campaigns for 'No' (NCFC) - CWC, Sep 8, 11:55:14
    - Its the labour party not being able to secure their own vote that (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 8, 12:02:27
- Quite right (NCFC) - paulg, Sep 8, 11:26:24
- "do it on a properly informed basis in terms of what it means for both side of the border. (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 8, 11:13:07
- What would you have had our idiot hapless politicians do differently? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 10:36:32
  - Not be so complacent and knock on the head some of the questionable claims the SNP keep (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 8, 10:44:30
    - I think they've been trying to do that for the past 6 months. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 8, 10:50:36
      - It's been a rubbish campaign by Better Together for all sorts of reasons (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 8, 11:02:33
        
        If England offered no VAT on deep fat fryers. It would all be over an hour into the vote (NCFC) - pants, Sep 8, 13:28:09
        
        More eloquently put, and in many less words than I. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim Nasium, Sep 8, 11:41:45
        
        precisely this (NCFC) - Basil Wrathbone, Sep 8, 11:08:10
- I have a hunch that the 'yes' bounce is probably about as real as the Nick Clegg bounce (NCFC) - norway, Sep 8, 10:27:13
  - I really, really hope you're right - like Quebec (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 8, 10:56:04
    - The intesrting tag line in the polls is "excluding the undecideds" but (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 8, 10:59:25
  - Possibly. Do often get it a week or two ahead of the vote and then it scares all the (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 8, 10:31:33

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