on the Welbeck/Giggs sub point
I don't think anyone disputes (although given their past comments some on here might) that Welbeck is a hell of an option to be able to bring off the bench and that we don't have that type of luxury but that misses the real point.
The point is that Moyes brought him on and played him in a specific position floating behind their striker. This was no doubt partly in response to the fact that Giggs was garbage in the first half but i also suspect in response to the fact that he saw a weakness in our ability to pick up and track players operating in that area. The concern (and constant frustration with Hughton) is that despite Welbeck operating in acres of space and it being very obvious he was doing so and that it had changed the pattern of play, he did absolutely nothing to react to this change. Yes their goal was lucky but the fact is Welbeck was basically able to play a free role virtually unmarked for most of that second half. I don't know whether Hughton is stubborn or just a bit slow tactically but his lack of reaction to things during matches constantly amazes me. Of course having criticised him for worrying about the opposition too much it would be hypocritical to want him to spend the whole game reacting to their every move, nor would i expect him too. But in virtually every game everyone watching seems to be able to see things that are not working or things that need to be changed at least 15 or 20 minutes before he does anything about it.
Posted By: Jim on January 3rd 2014 at 12:37:48
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- OK I know I'm a confirmed 'outer' and (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 11:45:48
- Why is your opinion right and everyone else who disagrees with you wrong?... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Jan 3, 14:39:15
- I've never thought that let (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 16:50:40
- Hard to know where to start... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 12:57:21
- Wow! You really are blindly faithful! (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:19:39
- Just don't realise it then... (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Jan 3, 20:37:45
- I'm not 'blindly faithful' just realistic (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:37:03
- Ok. Realistically (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:44:31
- and yet... (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:52:34
- Ok. Realistically (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:44:31
- Wow! You really are blindly faithful! (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:19:39
- Response... (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Jan 3, 12:22:25
- on the Welbeck/Giggs sub point (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 12:37:48
- so what should he have done? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 12:59:36
- on the Welbeck/Giggs sub point (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 12:37:48
- horribly long. outers protest too much (NCFC) - sotoncanary, Jan 3, 12:19:09
- Not being in the bottom 3 is not the same as success or Hughton doing a good job (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Jan 3, 12:39:07
- "Hughton's constant 'bigging up' of other teams" (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 3, 12:04:52
- what a manager says is irrelevant if they're winning games (NCFC) - dear prudence, Jan 3, 12:13:18
- Lambert used to repeat the same thing every press interview he did. (NCFC) - APB, Jan 3, 12:09:50
- We'll be fine..just fine! (n/m) (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Jan 3, 12:11:50
- Hughton does it more than any other. Even (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:07:45
- I'm sure I read somewhere that he fines the players if they cross the half-way line. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jan 3, 12:14:12
- Lambert said the same thing EVERY game. How is this any different? (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 3, 12:12:20
- For me it was his first match when he said Fulham had better players than us (NCFC) - trt354, Jan 3, 13:39:58
- which former player? (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:44:27
- Well one difference might be (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:16:30
- 27% possession at home... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:22:46
- Not when he was at Norwich (n/m) (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:39:03
- We usually had less than the opposition. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jan 3, 12:43:01
- Not when he was at Norwich (n/m) (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:39:03
- All down to his media comments? (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Jan 3, 12:18:01
- 27% possession at home... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:22:46
- For me it was his first match when he said Fulham had better players than us (NCFC) - trt354, Jan 3, 13:39:58
- Not quite sure how you'd prove that ... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:10:52
- Just another stick to beat him with and re... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:07:32
- To be completely fair (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:11:35
- Ok Einstein how would you have reacted to... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:14:41
- That's just the same as (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:36:09
- no, it isn't (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:05:20
- Good managers don't do nothing. (n/m) (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:21:02
- Good managers do what they think gives them the best chance of success (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:42:02
- Are you actually Chris Hughton? Or (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:51:25
- come on then (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:56:06
- I did suggest in response to loz (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 17:00:16
- *silence* (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 3, 14:32:39
- come on then (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:56:06
- Are you actually Chris Hughton? Or (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:51:25
- Good managers do what they think gives them the best chance of success (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:42:02
- Good managers don't do nothing. (n/m) (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 13:21:02
- no, it isn't (NCFC) - mr carra, Jan 3, 13:05:20
- The problem is we did react and change but it meant us going more defensive (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 3, 12:34:07
- Fer Tiring* (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 3, 12:34:25
- That's just the same as (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:36:09
- Ok Einstein how would you have reacted to... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:14:41
- It's all got very polarised (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 3, 12:10:52
- it's easier to be the dog with the bone than the bone trying to defend itself (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 3, 12:28:34
- Binnmen8rs post up there... (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 12:16:42
- To be completely fair (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 12:11:35
- ok. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 3, 11:57:31
- "Underneath that front, I suspect, he is extremely stubborn and maybe even a touch arrogan (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 3, 11:55:33
- Hmmm. yes, touche! But (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 11:58:29
- Sky/BT contribute a bit to be fair. (n/m) (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Jan 3, 12:00:19
- Lol (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Jan 3, 11:57:06
- Hmmm. yes, touche! But (NCFC) - BillySteele, Jan 3, 11:58:29
- I went to palace. Brazil couldn't have played football that day...... (NCFC) - Hulk Rules, Jan 3, 11:50:49
- Why is your opinion right and everyone else who disagrees with you wrong?... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Jan 3, 14:39:15
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