Re: the claim that you don't get a gain in capacity in safe standing areas - that's wrong

I used to go in the standing area for Stuttgart home games a few years ago - it is strictly limited tickets but it wasn't one (unused) seat per standee - you could get on average two standing people per one seated 'area'. Often the rows were two or three deep with people. All perfectly safe and with no packed areas.

This is proven when you look at attendances in Germany.

Dortmund's last home league game - 80,645
Dortmund's last home European game - 65,890
Dortmund's league capacity - 80,708
Dortmunds Euro capacity - 66,000

Dare I say it though, the Germans are probably more disciplined in spacing themselves out in this area - there wasn't an obvious clamour to get into one particular area of the stand.

It also helped that the away fans were nowhere near the standing area - therefore the 'need to be in the part of the stand closest to the away fans didn't apply. You would have to do the same in England - I reckon it's make the atmosphere worse if the Ultra (hate that phrase) section of fans that would most want to stand had to be placed at opposite ends from the away fans.

Posted By: Yellalee on October 26th 2012 at 18:44:48

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Re: the claim that you don't get a gain in capacity in safe standing areas - that's wrong (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 18:44:48
- Comparing apples with pears (n/m) (Other Football) - UtterlyHuckerby, Oct 26, 19:22:47
  - ? (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:23:07
    - Numbers are irrelevant. Discipline is clearly the issue (n/m) (Other Football) - UtterlyHuckerby, Oct 26, 19:23:52
      - Not really (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:27:49
        
        Really don't see why it could work though? What does that mean? (Other Football) - UtterlyHuckerby, Oct 26, 19:30:23
        
        Obviously a typo... (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:31:18
        
        TV rights etc? The fact that pockets of a vocal type create the atmosphere? (Other Football) - UtterlyHuckerby, Oct 26, 19:34:28
        
        And not sure where TV rights would come into it? (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:39:37
        
        you made the point about kick off times due to safety (Other Football) - UtterlyHuckerby, Oct 26, 19:50:09
        
        My clunky point was... (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:52:59
        
        As I said above, I think it, in our circumstances, take away from the atmosphere (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:38:23
        
        I'm assuming the safe standers would want a reduced ticket price? (Other Football) - UtterlyHuckerby, Oct 26, 19:45:15
        
        Ah, that's the rub isn't it... (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:49:22
        
        why should people pay less to watch the same product if the supply is limited? (Other Football) - Tombs, Oct 26, 20:04:58
        
        you ideot (Other Football) - Tombs, Oct 26, 20:25:57
        
        are you refering to this .............. (Other Football) - emmaroyds, Oct 26, 20:01:39
        
        they protested in spanish? neat (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Oct 26, 20:08:45
- I will bow to your greater knowledge on this (Other Football) - emmaroyds, Oct 26, 19:16:02
  - I think it'd work being unreserved if they placed it right (Other Football) - Yellalee, Oct 26, 19:20:48

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