Sadly in most places good, effective project management is not rewarded. They

like all the bureaucratic bollocks because it protects them.

My employers included (off the record).

Project Managers, like line managers, should add value, not just more overhead.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on March 16th 2011 at 14:18:30

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i wonder if the japanese scientists have considered (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 16, 13:08:31
- praps they sould pump concrete, rope and old tyres into it! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 16, 13:54:36
  - oh and golf balls - forgot them! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 16, 13:57:36
- What, the wave machine? (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Mar 16, 13:10:20
  - might have been everyone in china doing the old jumping off a chair at the same time thing (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 16, 13:13:22
    - That would be really difficult to coordinate. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 13:33:30
      - Would require some strong project management skills. (General Chat) - tudders, Mar 16, 13:40:51
        
        People who go on about PRINCE2 should be gunned down in the street. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 13:51:31
        
        his first album was better (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 16, 13:58:12
        
        yes (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 16, 13:57:04
        
        Yes. Prince 2 = Common sense + ?1,000. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Mar 16, 13:56:07
        
        ^^^ This. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 13:56:44
        
        I guess neither of you have done it then ? It's not a methodology but (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 16, 14:06:03
        
        Never done it. One of the project managers here has Done A Course on it (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 14:11:29
        
        I have foundation and practitioner. Taught me nothing of use. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 16, 14:12:24
        
        What, when, how, who, (General Chat) - tudders, Mar 16, 14:16:52
        
        Not really. Prince2 and similar try to keep you away from the How. (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 16, 14:37:24
        
        In fact, since I'm up on my high horse and enjoying the view, a significant proportion of (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 13:55:48
        
        Despite it paying my mortgage these days, I must agree. IT teams were far more (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 16, 14:09:15
        
        You sound like you know the difference though, between good effective project management, (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 14:14:50
        
        Sadly in most places good, effective project management is not rewarded. They (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 16, 14:18:30
        
        The only thing worse, in my opinion, (General Chat) - tudders, Mar 16, 14:01:41
        
        I've never met a Six Sigma person. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 14:09:21
        
        We've got them crawling all over the place. It's a process management thing. Yawn. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Mar 16, 14:12:43
        
        Yeah, I've done some reading about it. It helps, I find, to know your enemies. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 14:18:12
        
        extreme Origami (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 16, 14:05:21
        
        I can make a paper bird that flaps its wings when you pull its tail. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Mar 16, 14:16:07
        
        cool (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Mar 16, 14:23:59
        
        yes again (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 16, 13:57:18
      - they could do it over the radio (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 16, 13:39:18

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