or cut spending too early, choke off the recovery and end up increasing the debt by having

to spend more on job seekers and other welfare payments

though that could still have happened under Labour too, or the markets could've made borrowing the extra money Labour needed even more expensive - neither Labour or the Tories have been proven definitively right or wrong yet

Posted By: Ralf Scrampton on December 22nd 2010 at 15:25:36

Message Thread

How long before they change their minds on this one? (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Dec 22, 13:34:47
- actually selling off the wood land would generate revenue, reduce costs and give people (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:49:05
  - And they would all be used for valid public-interest activities (General Chat) - APB, Dec 22, 14:11:08
    - but they've got a great track record with selling off what belongs to the public (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:20:38
      - ffs! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:24:28
        
        the roots of Britain's current crisis go a lot deeper than the last 13 years (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:27:18
        
        Exactly. There was an excellent article on that on the web a while ago written by a promin (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:30:18
        
        I'd be interested to read that if you can find it Ceebee (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:32:42
        
        I'll do another try. It was on the BBC website - not sure how far back their archives go (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:35:12
        
        chairs, Any idea what his name was? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:38:00
        
        Fraid not. I think he was a professor at some university (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:53:52
        
        right, that sounds pretty logical (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 15:04:04
        
        but (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:31:37
        
        No. Like man made global warming, the policies of the last shower of tosspots were merely (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:34:14
        
        you're (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:36:31
        
        That is exctly what I said (apart from the last bit and the jury is still out on that) (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:54:50
        
        and thats camerons fault too?! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:29:10
        
        who said it was? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:32:06
        
        the (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:33:29
        
        The big problem with the last governments economic policies (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Dec 22, 14:44:19
        
        ^^^ this plus the refusal to do anything about the housing bubble (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 15:00:57
        
        Tories appear to be doing nothing?? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:49:05
        
        I said "nothing about those" (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Dec 22, 14:54:59
        
        least they're doing something...... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:57:23
        
        The "something" they're doing is deliberately targetting those least able to pay (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Dec 22, 15:11:51
        
        disagree....... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 15:14:21
        
        If you have more you can pay more so it doesn't hurt as much... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Dec 22, 16:00:31
        
        the poor, students etc seem to be the enemy now (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 16:10:34
        
        I have no problem with students contributing to their own costs... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Dec 22, 16:25:59
        
        thats pretty unfair tbh...... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 16:36:00
        
        ... (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 17:15:19
        
        exactly, I'm not sure where fighting unwinnable wars comes into the cost savings (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:45:19
        
        of course not, useless cunts too. there seems to be fuck all difference between (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:37:45
        
        Except for the ONE major difference...... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:40:56
        
        Labour wanted to continue spending for one more year before implenting their own savage cu (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 15:10:17
        
        so... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 15:16:28
        
        or cut spending too early, choke off the recovery and end up increasing the debt by having (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 15:25:36
        
        like i said before....... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 15:38:15
        
        It's not only the dead wood they want to get rid of. Oh !! (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Dec 22, 15:01:49
        
        dead wood = (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 15:04:30
        
        It was meant to be a pun on the original post. (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Dec 22, 15:10:29
        
        I sometimes think Chelts takes this forum far to seriously (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 15:15:34
        
        i dont, i just didnt get the gag! whoosh! (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 15:20:08
        
        we shall see, the tories have always wanted to slash public spending anyway (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:44:11
        
        The Shock Doctrine (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Dec 22, 14:46:39
        
        EXACTLY!!! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:45:42
  - I'm all for that, but that does seem very idealistic. (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Dec 22, 14:09:05
    - if... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:13:22
  - Shhh! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 13:51:49
    - There's a difference between people and American multi-national corporations answerable (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 13:56:32
      - the (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 13:59:35
        
        Make the fucking bankers and corporate tax avoiders pay (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Dec 22, 14:27:58
        
        agreed.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:29:52
        
        Oh Chelts, you are so, so wrong on this. (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:02:01
        
        really? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:03:27
        
        You didn't read that, did you? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:31:55
      - there is a lot of laws protecting the woodlands, and also that promote the replanting (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:58:39
  - or the ability of some foreign multi-national to cut down every (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 13:51:07
    - what the fuck difference does it make if the multi-national is foreign owned or uk owned? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 13:53:44
      - Bloody hell, is it racist to dislike global multi-nationals (the clue's in the name) (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 13:58:19
        
        you stated "foreign multi-nationals" and multi-national just means it operates in many cou (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 14:05:05
    - theres already strict regulation in that area so that wouldnt be allowed to happen (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:52:59
      - the FOD is a national park, so yes. (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 13:56:44
        
        even before they reveal their proposals this is going to be a total gaffe (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:05:00
        
        "They have no idea of the depth of resentment even suggesting this will cause" (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 14:12:23
        
        if it came from Labour then I'm sure it'd generate just as much opposition (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:22:47
        
        Gordon would have been gone by now even if Labour had won. F**k (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 17:08:59
        
        as much opposition probably, but it wouldn't be the same people opposing it (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 14:29:35
        
        you're right, but I think people will feel strongly regardless of the political implicati (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:34:44
        
        Yes, this ^^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 14:27:05
        
        they're only (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:08:58
        
        that's exactly what is GOOD about forests, they are "dormant"! (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:42:53
        
        think you'll find (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:44:16
  - LOL, how silly of us, they're just thinking of the little people aren't they (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 13:51:00
    - actually they are thinking of getting the country out of the mess we are left in (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:53:54
      - apparently, tony and gordon didnt leave Britain in a financial mess. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:02:32
        
        if only the tories hadn't already sold off most of our other assets (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:08:10
        
        last time?? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:10:48
        
        the tories practically based their govenment around selling off everything (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:25:20
        
        yes the tories sold off lots of failing companies..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:28:26
        
        no, because after years of watching how they operate and knowing their mindset (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:35:57
        
        do we? really? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:37:55
        
        why do you insist that because I hate torie politics I must *love* labour? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 14:39:56
        
        i didnt.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:43:05
  - obviously would need tight regualtion to stop them getting the chop though (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:50:21
- the very fact that they admit to be considering it is enough to show they haven't changed (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 13:47:48
  - They took all the trees and put them in a tree museum. (General Chat) - jafski, Dec 22, 14:22:37
    - xxl should make a museum out of all his NORWICH memoribilia (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:26:11
      - No room big enough. (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Dec 22, 14:33:34
- Never a truer word spoken: (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 22, 13:43:02
  - got to say, i preferred this comment: (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 13:50:53
    - ^ (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Dec 22, 14:16:08
- they had fucking better (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 13:37:22
  - really? get a grip! worst thing ever done? don't think so some how 1980s nuff said. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:47:23
    - do you support the tories on every fucking thing they propose and do? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 13:49:18
      - wtf you on about? I just criticised them. read it again (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Dec 22, 13:51:41
        
        that was meant to be a reply to your post above (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 22, 13:53:34
  - nah, fuck 'em it's only a few fucking trees... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 22, 13:41:39

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