A few thoughts on this "fixed" match
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"An expert, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said he had "not seen anything like this in 10 years of working in the industry" and expressed concern for "the integrity of the English game"."
I'm not anonymous, but then neither am I an expert, but I doubt very much that the Asian markets have been taking bets on English second tier games for 10 years. So I doubt this claim is dramatic as it seems.
"In this case the handicap made an enormous, unexplained swing"
Maybe so. But how big was the market? I haven't seen anywhere how much money would actually be needed to create this "enormous, unexplained swing".
Looking at the match itself I didn't see it as fixed in any way. And, remember, the claim is that the money (however much it was) was on Norwich to win. Lita was going to score and Carroll made a decision to stop him. Surely if his purpose was to "let" Norwich win he would have let Lita score, and kept himself on the pitch to carry on with his dirty work. The idea that the best way for Carroll to "fix"the match was to remove himself from the action as soon as he could seems bonkers to me.
The only other incident of note was the Derby winner. The money says that this was not part of a "fix". Quite the reverse. And what happened? Marshall came out of his area to clear the ball - something he has done several times this season - including in the first half of that very match. And got it wrong. That's all - he was probably trying to get the ball back up their end as quick as he could. No fix there.
Because actually no-one has showed any evidence of a "fix" at all. So what caused the swing in the markets? Norwich City are very much a second-half team this season. We have taken, if you like, 7 points in the first halves of games, 13 in the second (before the Derby game). Even MK Dons got their winner in the first half. Looking at the odds that have been quoted in the papers (4.5 - 1, or favoured by 1/4 of a goal) they seem to me to be overly generous. Recognising that some (and we don't know how many) punters have spotted value and enough money (but we don't know how much) has gone on to us.
Based on what's been published so far, I don't see any "fix".
Posted By: Reg Presley on October 18th 2008 at 08:48:02
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- A few thoughts on this "fixed" match (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 08:48:02
- disagree in parts (NCFC) - Small, Oct 18, 12:12:03
- There was money going on us at half-time which suggests that (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 12:40:49
- I'd be more inclined to agree if it wasn't considered unusual (n/m) (NCFC) - Small, Oct 18, 14:28:06
- Except that (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 14:35:07
- I'd be more inclined to agree if it wasn't considered unusual (n/m) (NCFC) - Small, Oct 18, 14:28:06
- if i'd paid a goalkeeper to throw a match (NCFC) - blindasabat, Oct 18, 12:33:33
- Its not (NCFC) - DPLOTBC, Oct 18, 12:28:54
- I think Reg's point is that (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Oct 18, 12:19:31
- There was money going on us at half-time which suggests that (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 12:40:49
- Football is fixed. I'd say there is an attempt to fix 75% of Prem games (NCFC) - Brandonio, Oct 18, 11:48:21
- Having followed a few of the Cricket scandals over the years (NCFC) - Small, Oct 18, 12:17:14
- Hansie Cronje springs to mind. What a real 'waste' in every sense. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Oct 18, 16:53:32
- The problem with that (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 13:04:02
- I wonder if that relates to spread betting markets (NCFC) - pants, Oct 18, 12:48:03
- Having followed a few of the Cricket scandals over the years (NCFC) - Small, Oct 18, 12:17:14
- Totally agree with you. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arganth, Oct 18, 11:03:46
- Good read that, probably how it will be investigate too (NCFC) - pants, Oct 18, 10:51:39
- From the Times (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Oct 18, 09:27:52
- To simplify that to agree somewhat. If you went to York races (NCFC) - pants, Oct 18, 11:04:40
- Are you sure? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Oct 18, 11:19:16
- I think the bookies in shops stand the prices and markets (NCFC) - pants, Oct 18, 12:37:31
- Himmers is right...... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 18, 13:32:41
- I think the bookies in shops stand the prices and markets (NCFC) - pants, Oct 18, 12:37:31
- Are you sure? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Oct 18, 11:19:16
- To simplify that to agree somewhat. If you went to York races (NCFC) - pants, Oct 18, 11:04:40
- ... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Oct 18, 08:55:36
- I don't understand. Link? (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 08:57:30
- don't bother (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 18, 09:22:43
- Well it would be (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 09:58:45
- i'm not sure that he would have scored anyway (n/m) (NCFC) - conker, Oct 18, 10:08:07
- I'm not sure that Carroll could do all these calculations this quickly anyway (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 18, 10:08:52
- (meaning that I still have no idea whether there was anything dodgy (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 18, 10:09:51
- I'm not sure that Carroll could do all these calculations this quickly anyway (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 18, 10:08:52
- i'm not sure that he would have scored anyway (n/m) (NCFC) - conker, Oct 18, 10:08:07
- Well it would be (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 09:58:45
- don't bother (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 18, 09:22:43
- I don't understand. Link? (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 08:57:30
- English second tier games IN PROGRESS (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Oct 18, 08:48:38
- disagree in parts (NCFC) - Small, Oct 18, 12:12:03
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