What can clubs below the Prem do to change things?

they have no leverage? This is simple eceonomics. The Prem generates all the money (even we get a small share of the Prem TV money). League clubs need them more than they need us.

They would love a closed shop Prem like the NFL etc where they don't face even the slightest risk of relegation.

League clubs go along with whatever the Prem wants because they have no choice - the alternative is far worse.

Posted By: mr carra on September 2nd 2008 at 10:51:48

Message Thread

loans are good (NCFC) - Firstnews, Sep 2, 09:35:50
- How is it good that Portsmouth sign a player not good enough for them... (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 09:43:36
  - I totally agree, its a shambles (NCFC) - megson, Sep 2, 09:53:40
    - think its the money more than the window (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 09:56:06
  - Works both ways though (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 09:49:59
    - Name one? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 09:54:34
      - Martin & Pillane (n/m) (NCFC) - DiscoDaleGordon, Sep 2, 09:55:37
        
        They'll never player for us again (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:02:15
        
        Maybe, maybe not (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 2, 10:18:10
        
        *Spillane (n/m) (NCFC) - DiscoDaleGordon, Sep 2, 09:55:44
  - "ban all these loans"? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Sep 2, 09:49:09
    - Without the loans we'd have to field only players we can afford to own (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 09:52:30
      - With a blinkered short term view like that you should be an MP (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 09:56:53
        
        "If everyone is forced to play by the same rules then we wouldn't be at a disadvantage." (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 10:03:32
        
        FFS, its not about that (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:08:04
        
        But, as I point out, it's not the loan system itself that's the problem (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Sep 2, 10:16:27
        
        The problem is not the loan system (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 10:15:39
        
        Why did you post it if it isn't "about that"? (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 10:09:44
        
        You're the idiot (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:16:05
        
        Well you've got it all sorted out. Splendid. (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 10:37:27
        
        Whoop, whoop my club?s dying and I'm burying my head in the sand (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:49:53
        
        we are all aware that football has gone to the dogs (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 11:03:08
        
        That's why I became a Norwich fan as well but its not my club anymore (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:06:28
        
        But it's a nonsensical argument. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 10:19:02
        
        why? (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:20:56
        
        I'm not sure. They sign these players because they can afford to, (NCFC) - megson, Sep 2, 10:27:22
        
        Because they have the money to buy potential (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 10:27:11
        
        That's all we're becoming, a Premiership reserve team (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:36:04
        
        We're witnessing the death of competetive football outside the top 4 in the Prem (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Sep 2, 10:47:44
        
        The Premiership has been dead for years (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:51:55
        
        Well, don't then. Your choice. (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Sep 2, 11:40:07
        
        Fucking Nora - you STILL think it's to do with the loans?! (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 10:56:16
        
        I think we can take it from his silence below that he has Sky (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:00:01
        
        if it wasn't Sky it would be someone else (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 11:06:49
        
        Isn't the problem the disparity in incomes? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:15:13
        
        Yes I do have Sky (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:03:32
        
        Do you really expect money that comes from a cunt like Murdoch to be evenly spread? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Sep 2, 11:42:46
        
        If it wasn't Sky it would be someone else. (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:52:01
        
        That's not quite true is it? (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 11:44:21
        
        because I don't want to watch a team full of loans (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:59:44
        
        Ben, I think you are right, but if you Ban the loans (NCFC) - megson, Sep 2, 10:40:12
        
        If not banning loans then something needs to change (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 10:44:58
        
        What can clubs below the Prem do to change things? (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 10:51:48
        
        Exactly (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 10:53:12
        
        Yeah, just got the full package (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:00:55
        
        Well there we are. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:04:43
        
        I pay ?9 a month for Sky Sports and ?350 a year for a season ticket (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:10:07
        
        Comparing monthly with annual is a bit cheeky (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:17:36
        
        Sky do pay our club as well (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:22:08
        
        A tiny, tiny slice in comparison (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:24:42
        
        Your saying I can't have Sky because they pay too much to the Premiership (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:27:24
        
        I'm not saying you can't (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:33:17
        
        Do we boycott every company that put money into the Premiership? (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:37:44
        
        You don't really think the Sky deal benefits our club (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:40:27
        
        Are you saying our club can live without the Sky money? (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:43:50
        
        Sorry - plus you also guarantee more money for premiership clubs (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:20:26
        
        Actually I don't watch very much Premiership football... (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:24:04
        
        It gets worse. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:26:07
        
        I want to watch Championship football (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:31:15
        
        Same as me..... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 11:42:54
        
        Plus how much of that ?350 a year is going directly to the Premiership clubs... (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:14:06
        
        Are you attempting to argue that TV money ISN'T the root cause of the financial disparity (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 11:16:26
        
        Not at all but... (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:21:08
        
        And once that TV deal is negotiated, you subscribe to it. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 11:23:23
        
        Well i can't just subscribe to the Championship football can I (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 11:25:16
        
        Well NOW you're making sense, rather than sounding like Kevin the Teenager. (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Sep 2, 10:50:20
        
        Yes, that I agree with, THe game is coming to a crisis point very very quickly. (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Sep 2, 10:46:18
        
        Everything you say is true, but in the end the loan system isn't the cause (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 10:38:41
        
        How would we compete then? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Sep 2, 10:18:10
        
        surely everyone IS forced to play by the same rules (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 09:59:47
    - ^^^^^^^^^^^^ What he said (n/m) (NCFC) - DiscoDaleGordon, Sep 2, 09:51:11
- Loans from across border (NCFC) - trt354, Sep 2, 09:41:57
  - Surprised that hasn't been mentioned before. Were all our loans last season domestic then? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Sep 2, 09:51:22
    - there was something mentioned when we were waiting for International Clearance for both of (NCFC) - blindasabat, Sep 2, 10:08:39
    - Pretty sure they were (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 2, 09:54:10
  - Why don't we all just buy a fucking Chelsea season ticket then? (NCFC) - Ben, Sep 2, 09:45:46
  - really? (n/m) (NCFC) - shoddy, Sep 2, 09:43:34
  - really? THIS IS IMPORTANT NEWS AND NEEDS VERIFICATION (NCFC) - megson, Sep 2, 09:42:55
    - If this is true then it is excellent news (NCFC) - DiscoDaleGordon, Sep 2, 09:45:24
      - I GIYLF & can't find any mention of cross border loans not counting:- (NCFC) - jafski, Sep 2, 10:02:04
        
        I've been furiously GIYLFing too and can find nowt. (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Sep 2, 10:16:09
- Eezer Goode, Eezer Goode (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Sep 2, 09:38:53

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