I guess I'm just a bit more straight forward thinking
and at the time ?7.5m was a great deal for someone who was injured. We'd have only seen him really and truely injured in months to come and then bought for ?3m
Like you say though, I guess that's not the point either
I think it's better to think about it objectively. Sutton didn't and only wanted to play for us, and we shunned him
A lot of the time, players who show genuinely support for a club often don't get it re paid. Therefore I don't very often see a player as a judas. I did with Marshall, and to an extent with Kenton, but I liked Kenton, and I also understood that a player wants to better himself
I liked bellers, but over time his persistent lack of maturity and disruptiveness made me dislike him. He did go right off at Bobby Robson after our game. Yes it was due to not being able to beat us cos he likes us, but he also chose a very calculated/ or foolish moment to do as Shearer was out of the team and the fans already didn't like that
The repercutions of Robson losing his job after that game, is something Newcastle haven't got over since. I'm not saying Bellamy is fully to blame, but just for once, he could have just been professional and kept out of it, but he couldn't
A bit like last night, he could have again, just for once, not said anything, but he couldn't help himself. Luckilly, it's a bit of a laugh for us cos it was a bit a slanging at Ipswich fans
The mentality remains though, and I think it's something that doesn't do his career any favours in the slightest
We also only hear about the things that are reported. I can wager there's much much more he's said, done and foolishly been responsible for, that will have been vastly swept under the carpet
A little like what Roeder is trying to tell us when he sacked a lot of the backroom staff. I doubt we'll ever get to the bottom of that, but Roeder was subliminally telling us that this clubs problem go from right to the bottom upwards, not just on the pitch or in the boardroom
Posted By: pants on August 5th 2008 at 14:57:45
Message Thread
- Say, right, you're down the rec and Bellers and Ashton turn up... (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:14:41
- Bellamy (NCFC) - blindasabat, Aug 5, 13:25:58
- So it's the type of striker you prefer then (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:53:41
- if i was playing in a game on the local Rec, with jumpers for goal posts (NCFC) - blindasabat, Aug 5, 13:58:52
- So it's the type of striker you prefer then (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:53:41
- Actually, I think I'd decline and go home to do a jigsaw. (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:25:34
- Bellamy (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:25:25
- Bellamy. What a daft question. (n/m) (NCFC) - Sugbad The Bad, Aug 5, 13:24:12
- This is Wrath Sugs, what other kind are there? (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:26:02
- Bellamy (n/m) (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, Aug 5, 13:22:25
- Bellamy (n/m) (NCFC) - Brom, Aug 5, 13:21:54
- Bellars, he's a born winner (NCFC) - HairyBobbingManAss, Aug 5, 13:21:13
- Re: Bellars, he's a born winner (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 5, 13:27:01
- a wrath poll (NCFC) - camcan, Aug 5, 13:30:04
- winning mentality innit, (NCFC) - HairyBobbingManAss, Aug 5, 13:29:26
- Yet Ashton has proven, as a striker, when to score when it matters (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:32:54
- you said... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:41:14
- I remember him scoring a perfectly decent goal in the fulham away game (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:54:45
- To be fair, he was our best player at Fulham by quite some way. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:43:02
- true but the point was... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:45:17
- Didn't he have a perfectly good goal disallowed when we were 1-0 down? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:46:47
- If you start counting goals in football that shouldn't have been disallowed (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:48:48
- Yes, but there's a slight difference between a wing wizard (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:59:50
- Sounds good to me. Let's say we beat Fulham 3-0 with a Mattias Jonson hat-trick. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:50:29
- Was the Ashton goal still disallowed then? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 14:07:37
- Yeah. It makes the (admittedly unlikely) Jonson hat-trick even better. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 14:10:49
- In that case I'm a bit confused why we're allowed to do this.... (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 14:11:37
- I decided to divorce the argument from any sort of rationality whatsoever. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 14:13:22
- Oh. OK. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 14:17:33
- I decided to divorce the argument from any sort of rationality whatsoever. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 14:13:22
- In that case I'm a bit confused why we're allowed to do this.... (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 14:11:37
- Yeah. It makes the (admittedly unlikely) Jonson hat-trick even better. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 14:10:49
- "we beat Fulham 3-0 with a Mattias Jonson hat-trick" (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 13:55:17
- Everyone else say it too. Maybe it'll catch on and we'll be back in the Premier League. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:57:39
- "we beat Fulham 3-0 with a Mattias Jonson hat-trick" (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 5, 14:08:23
- Everyone else say it too. Maybe it'll catch on and we'll be back in the Premier League. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:57:39
- Was the Ashton goal still disallowed then? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 14:07:37
- Yes. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 5, 13:48:25
- If you start counting goals in football that shouldn't have been disallowed (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:48:48
- *sub Fact for Truth and that's my point (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:46:01
- How often are facts ignored about Ashton on here though? (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:08:29
- the 2 people fact thing (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:18:37
- Yeah, but we know that was a troll so we ignored it (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 5, 14:32:31
- That's a fair point I guess (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:39:27
- Yeah, but we know that was a troll so we ignored it (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 5, 14:32:31
- But you're treating the whole board as if it were one person (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 5, 14:15:00
- Cool (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:34:58
- I know what you're saying about Bellers & Ashton (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 5, 14:44:38
- I guess I'm just a bit more straight forward thinking (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:57:45
- I know what you're saying about Bellers & Ashton (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Aug 5, 14:44:38
- Cool (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:34:58
- You do need to remember that Bellamy was much more of a Norwich player (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 5, 14:14:21
- I totally understand that, and that's why I'm saying (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:22:30
- the 2 people fact thing (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:18:37
- How often are facts ignored about Ashton on here though? (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 14:08:29
- *sub Fact for Truth and that's my point (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:45:59
- *sub Fact for Truth and that's my poin (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:45:58
- Didn't he have a perfectly good goal disallowed when we were 1-0 down? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:46:47
- true but the point was... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:45:17
- Peter Thorne certainly couldn't stand up when it counted... (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Aug 5, 13:36:38
- Or at all, by the end. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:38:57
- other than on a surfboard... (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, Aug 5, 13:41:36
- Cos he was injured? (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:38:09
- Or at all, by the end. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 5, 13:38:57
- WHAT!? Ashton has scored more important goals than Ronaldo? (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:34:49
- I didn't say Ronaldo can't do it (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:36:28
- I don't think Ashton has played in enough big games really to compare him (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:37:52
- I was talking about how great players can rise to an occasion (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:39:06
- Remember Dennis Healey Pants (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:42:54
- I never ever wish to remember Dennis Healey's pants..... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 5, 13:47:37
- Remember Dennis Healey Pants (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:42:54
- I was talking about how great players can rise to an occasion (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:39:06
- I don't think Ashton has played in enough big games really to compare him (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:37:52
- I didn't say Ronaldo can't do it (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:36:28
- you said... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:41:14
- I'll remember that.... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 5, 13:31:14
- because you have a prick's mentality (NCFC) - blindasabat, Aug 5, 13:35:30
- Yet Ashton has proven, as a striker, when to score when it matters (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:32:54
- Re: Bellars, he's a born winner (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 5, 13:27:01
- Bellars. The man speaks the truth. (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Aug 5, 13:18:26
- Really? (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:22:03
- Ashton would probably be injured and have a scan to prove it. (n/m) (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Aug 5, 13:20:09
- and then be go on to be injured for the next couple of years (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:28:23
- Here we go...a full list... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:31:43
- It's ok for Bellers to have a swipe at this club though (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:30:03
- Bellamy never played for Crewe mate... (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:33:19
- and then be go on to be injured for the next couple of years (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:28:23
- Bellamy (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:17:31
- 7 clubs sort of debunks that a tad (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:19:58
- Yeah, true, but he is 90 now so when you look it like that he's quite loyal really (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:21:26
- Even though 4 of them he stayed for a season? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:23:07
- haha (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Aug 5, 13:20:57
- Yeah, true, but he is 90 now so when you look it like that he's quite loyal really (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:21:26
- 7 clubs sort of debunks that a tad (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:19:58
- Bellers, Ashtons is a bender (allegedly) (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Aug 5, 13:17:02
- Ashton (NCFC) - pants, Aug 5, 13:15:53
- fuck you (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Aug 5, 13:17:34
- Best in Club though... (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:16:44
- Ashton (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:16:41
- Do you know who Ashton is? (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:17:21
- Poor, very, very poor (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:20:59
- Just checking (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:22:30
- Poor, very, very poor (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 5, 13:20:59
- Do you know who Ashton is? (n/m) (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Aug 5, 13:17:21
- Bellamy (NCFC) - blindasabat, Aug 5, 13:25:58
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