Everyone is Speculating

thinking they know what is going on but let's be honest and say we have no clue. What I do know for sure is this:
Smith and Jones:
1) Have been a godsend to the club
2) Are underfunded as it relates to competing for a promotion push.
3) Have demonstrated that they do not have the management skill, attitude, or financial clout to survive the Premiership.
They are the angel I do know and honestly have sunk to their appropriate level which is lower to mid Championship.

Cullum:
1) Demonstrated success in what he does.
2) Could easily fund a promotion push.
3) Could survive and thrive in the Premiership because he has enough money to cover up mistakes. Smith and Jones cannot.
4) He's the devil I don't know.

My conclusion: If you're happy with second tier football, you side with Delia. You want Premiership, you gotta go with Cullum.

Having said all that, I predict Delia gets reasonable on her demands and Cullum makes her whole. Just don't know the time frame.

Posted By: SeattleSounders on July 13th 2008 at 16:14:46

Message Thread

Everyone is Speculating (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Jul 13, 16:14:46
- Great post - straightforward - have to agree with most of that (n/m) (NCFC) - 1902, Jul 13, 17:26:14
- If you can asknowledge that D and M have been a godsend (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 16:52:01
  - Am in no Way Dumping on Smith and Jones (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Jul 13, 17:04:56
    - Do you think they are willing to pay more? (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:20:40
  - Well, who's to say what's a fair price? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 13, 17:02:18
    - We'll end up having the same convo as the other day, and before that (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:13:24
      - Delia and MWJ are getting all their money back they put in and some (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:05:24
        
        How do you work that out? (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:11:38
        
        Oh it's just a Phrankin fact of the day is it? (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:21:11
        
        i think the newspapers quote between 7 and 9 (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:24:55
        
        paranoid conjecture (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:35:15
        
        are you just talking shit now Pants (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:37:44
        
        But you just said she put in circa 7 million! Or does the odd 2-mill not count? (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:48:36
        
        it varies depending on which paper you look at. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:56:17
        
        Haha, so you admit you're guessing, just goes to show what tripe you come out with. (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:08:03
        
        I don't have a copy of the company accounts here. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:17:45
        
        But you specificaly picked 7 to suggest that Delia is getting a profit! (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:20:56
        
        did you read it mate. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:24:15
        
        oh yeah and according to the 56 million figure (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:26:29
        
        At the current asking price Delia gets 9 million back (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:17:41
  - I really don't understand why some people... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 16:56:04
    - Ohbut it could, because d and m don't have to sell, this club isn't in a desperate positio (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:04:23
      - Fair points I suppose... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:09:25
        
        True, I've never really thought too far into this guy being in charge (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:23:48
        
        Oh, come on, he's said nothing of the sort! (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 13, 17:28:33
        
        He's plain and simple said he can't believe d and m, don't want investment (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:31:32
        
        "All you hear from this guy is how wonderful life will be when he's here" (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 13, 17:37:21
        
        Well stating that he'd spend 20m on the team is incinuating it isn't it? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:41:17
        
        Is it? Seems like you're reading into it what you want to prove your point (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 13, 17:47:37
        
        From the over reaction and disgusting behaviour so far (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:50:51
        
        Well we live within some pretty narrow confines at the moment... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:56:23
        
        One point about the restaurants... (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:08:52
        
        That's fine... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:14:33
        
        We've done that in investing in Roeder. (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:38:30
        
        they hardly ever backed worthington Pants! (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:42:28
        
        lol, they hardly ever backed Worthington? (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:44:03
        
        How often did worthy have to challenge the Board to back him... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:46:36
        
        I wasn't suggesting we build more, but shat's wrong with making use of facilities (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:20:11
        
        There isn't.. (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:25:24
        
        "The last time the board actually speculated to accumulate..." (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:28:42
        
        Ashton only came when they decided that they'd budget using the parachute payments... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:35:57
        
        Whether it's too late or not, it is still speculation isn't it? (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:40:09
        
        it was too bloody late.. end of. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:55:17
        
        Completely. Missed. The. Point. (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:08:53
        
        not missed at all. They showed no ambition on promotion (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:19:26
        
        If we had spent 20m on players, and high wages, we could have ended up like (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:21:44
        
        They could have spent at least 3.5 million more on promotion (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:25:04
        
        It wouldn't have made a difference (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:31:12
        
        how do you know it wouldnt have mattered (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:35:20
        
        you don't get many decent strikers for 3,5m (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:47:53
        
        You got Peter Crouch and Dean Ashton in our Year (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:54:23
        
        We ididn't get crouch, we couldn't afford 2m, we can't now (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 21:58:19
        
        and Derby spent more than us finished with the record lowest points total (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:32:28
        
        The amount of money went up however by then (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:37:10
        
        If you accept that, then you know why we didn't go overboard to stay up (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:53:18
        
        we didnt even spend what we could until it was too late (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:54:51
        
        I didn't think you would accept it (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 21:15:35
        
        someone will now say (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:42:45
        
        This is what gets on my nerves (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:12:08
        
        What is the point in having a Premiership stadium, a Premiership training ground... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:18:14
        
        But everything IS geared towards the football... (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:26:29
        
        Well I don't expect multi-million pound transfers from this Board. (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:34:15
        
        considering our team of which Roeder's assembling now, the ones that aren't his buys (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:51:49
        
        Fozzy and Brellier free... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:56:05
        
        Amazing all those figures are now low (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:07:10
        
        it's basically, all phrankin ever does (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:08:00
        
        Grant was a fucking awful manager. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:20:04
        
        and someone you compared to Roeder time and time again last season (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:26:53
        
        depends what Roeder turns up (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:28:11
        
        see, you don't really rate him (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:36:41
        
        he made mistakes (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:40:18
        
        Agreed, absolutely. (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:44:56
        
        We allow managers decent money for players though (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:54:20
        
        And of course I agree with your summation. (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:50:27
        
        And of course I agree with your summation. (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:50:23
        
        I would like us to be challenging for the play-offs (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:28:51
        
        I don't think you quite understood my point. (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 18:33:31
        
        Because if we didn't work to secure and preserve those things (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:24:07
        
        So, to cut that babble short... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:26:46
        
        I'm not saying that either (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:00:55
        
        for anyone who wants to take this out of context (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:03:15
        
        Yeah but we don't even try to do better. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:16:44
        
        Yes of course, their whole objective is just to wind you up (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:23:04
        
        show a time the current Board have shown ambition please. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:25:50
        
        actually I will show you the one they used for years (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:33:04
        
        bingo!! so how does Huckerby work? I thought the club choses to ignore investment???????? (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:11:42
        
        They were given the money by a businessman (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:22:51
        
        ^^ Bingo (n/m) (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:24:41
        
        well he was right to be worried (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:28:47
        
        Because huckerby was a luxury, a luxury that effectively saved worthingtons job (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 21:41:46
        
        The standard Phankin answer to this... (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:15:22
        
        aye, that's the skipper a load were slagging off once (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:17:48
        
        Skipper made somne fucking stupid comments about Worthy (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:21:52
        
        Gove it a few days and you'll be comparing delia to chase (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:38:20
        
        Never, all they've ever wanted was to win the fa vase (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:32:15
        
        Who in football doesn't want to win stuff? That is not ambition. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:34:13
        
        That's fair do's I guess (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:01:35
        
        lucky Delia and co increased their shares value by 20% in October (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:06:24
        
        No way of telling... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:27:16
        
        True (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:30:24
        
        But you've said yourself... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:32:24
        
        Exactly, so he wouldn't offer more for the club (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:38:01
        
        So you want it both ways... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:43:45
        
        Of course he's gonna say that, he was drumming up support (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:49:25
        
        same bullshit and lies Delia gave when she said she wouldnt be getting her money back (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:08:34
        
        Of course, Cullum will mean and say everything he does too (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:17:01
        
        you are just saying Cullum is saying hollow words based on NOTHING. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 18:21:16
        
        Why should Cullum be any different to Delia? (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:19:40
        
        I'm not saying he should be either. I'm pointing at the constant conspiracy that (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 18:30:42
        
        I don't think any true fan of NCFC can criticise Delia too harshly... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 18:46:48
        
        It's not a transfer budget though, it's much much more than that (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:14:19
        
        Also, they make every season ticket holder pay for every cup game too (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:40:19
        
        pants... you're overlooking one (or two) vital points... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:45:51
        
        The vital thing is, we could become crystal palace though (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 17:52:33
        
        We could... (NCFC) - Dog, Jul 13, 17:58:46
    - I don't think it's completely irrelevant... (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 17:02:32

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