he was a little bit unlucky though

they got 42 points that season. Any other season you'd stay up easily with that.

David Moyes is regarded as a successful manager, yet he got less points than that in a season with Everton at least once (there was definitely a 38 point season). He just got lucky that there were other teams worse.

That's the thing about football - even if every manager performed his job to the absolute best it was POSSIBLE to do, three of them would STILL get relegated. There are some factors that are always outside your control.

Posted By: mr carra on February 25th 2008 at 13:27:49

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My one nagging doubt about Roeder (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 25, 11:59:43
- Mr Nasty (NCFC) - Alexis Kreeosoat, Feb 25, 12:28:19
- Much as I like Roeder, there was no excuse for getting that group of players relegated. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Feb 25, 12:11:24
  - he was a little bit unlucky though (NCFC) - mr carra, Feb 25, 13:27:49
    - Hang on though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 13:41:34
      - the world according to bigfeller (NCFC) - jayson blair, Feb 25, 14:26:48
  - Roeder probably wasn't a big enough name to ride the storm as well (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:12:57
    - what happened at Newcastle? (NCFC) - Charles21, Feb 25, 12:26:08
      - And the stats show he was the last decent manager they had (n/m) (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:28:30
      - Newcastle (NCFC) - Alexis Kreeosoat, Feb 25, 12:26:58
        
        They actually spent a grand total of £6m net last summer (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 12:36:47
        
        Sounds like a fortune to me (NCFC) - Alexis Kreeosoat, Feb 25, 12:43:33
        
        That's true (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 12:48:32
        
        Things may have gone better for Allardyce if: (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:50:18
        
        4) was entirely his choice, though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 12:56:02
        
        If it hadn't have been for Allardyce (n/m) (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:59:58
        
        Yes - agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 13:02:44
        
        Then Mike Ashley would presumably have made a serious appointment last summer! (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 13:02:18
        
        Grrrhh pressed wrong button (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 13:00:56
        
        Newcastle seem to make a habit of signing dodgy centre halves (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Feb 25, 12:30:04
    - As you say, though, he strikes me as the type to learn from his mistakes (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Feb 25, 12:17:47
      - 'Best in the division' - a tad presumptious (NCFC) - phrankin, Feb 25, 12:25:30
        
        Well who is better? (NCFC) - Alexis Kreeosoat, Feb 25, 12:31:46
        
        Mowbray (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 12:41:08
        
        I was thinking that - his teams are much like Burley's (NCFC) - phrankin, Feb 25, 12:47:16
        
        I've always thought Ipswich were actually better the year before they went up (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 25, 12:51:34
        
        Pardew? Burley? Mowbray? (NCFC) - phrankin, Feb 25, 12:38:08
        
        Define better then we might get somewhere. (n/m) (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Feb 25, 12:32:25
        
        Better (NCFC) - Alexis Kreeosoat, Feb 25, 12:38:53
      - If we finish 7th and we do well next season (n/m) (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:18:43
- I may be naive about this (NCFC) - camcan, Feb 25, 12:04:10
  - He apparently has very little day to day contact with the players (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 25, 12:15:27
  - Also (and, yes I recognise they maybe toeing the party line) a lot of the players that (NCFC) - malkybarkid, Feb 25, 12:09:38
  - I think Roeder will learn from some of his experiences (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:07:49
- Loan players (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Feb 25, 12:03:34
  - I know why he has brought them in (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 25, 12:14:28
    - Someone behind on Saturday said Shackell was dropped due to yellow cards... (NCFC) - Brom, Feb 25, 12:18:59
      - I think that's right! (NCFC) - DICKY, Feb 25, 12:25:23
        
        You're correct. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Feb 25, 12:35:28
        
        Might do Shackell the world of good to see that the boy currently behind him (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Feb 25, 12:37:11
        
        Makes sense (NCFC) - Alexis Kreeosoat, Feb 25, 12:31:00
        
        he said to day on Waghorns site that Pearce had been excellent in training (NCFC) - phrankin, Feb 25, 12:27:42
        
        *composed (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Feb 25, 12:29:06
        
        Although Roeder said (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:27:19
        
        "Shacks was unlucky to lose his place to Pearce" (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:27:40
  - I think the main reason is is that during January player prices are very inflated (NCFC) - LincolnshireCanary, Feb 25, 12:09:56

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