Actually there is some evidence that so called primitive societies

did in fact have a decent life expectancy and quality of life - far from the "nasty, brutish and short" (Hobbes?) that is often assumed. I'm no expert in this area and don't have any references to hand; but a Google on Primitivism and/or John Zerzan should throw up plenty of links. I don't hold with his theories at all; but, if you can stand the rhetoric that goes along with it, he does present good evidence for the above.

Posted By: BerlinCanary on July 25th 2005 at 21:14:38

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I'm actually a bit surprised it took this long. Either way, OH MY GOD (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 20:35:13
- ROFL (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 25, 22:41:10
  - Will they (General Chat) - Jim Nasium, Jul 25, 22:52:26
    - that's why I laughed - I thought it was their new plan! The Olympic Village (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 25, 23:01:28
- Wheat a minute here! (General Chat) - The Editor of Milk, Jul 25, 20:44:27
  - If thats what paris will look like (General Chat) - romayellow, Jul 25, 20:46:40
- Idiotic (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Jul 25, 20:42:18
  - Idiotic? REALLY? (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 20:49:41
    - No offence like... (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 25, 21:36:28
      - Yes there are, Clare my buddy (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 21:50:58
      - There are, it's just that systems are in place to stop them making any impact ... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 25, 21:50:05
    - Gawd - just read over what I typed - don't I get all IEDish when challenged (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 21:31:44
      - I'm still trying to work out what you meant by "aesthetic" (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:35:58
        
        No I haven't - it's just an ugly rumour (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 21:49:35
        
        Would... (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 25, 22:19:11
        
        Ah, see your point now (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:55:42
        
        Were you aware of Australia's problem with the Cane Toad, by the way? (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 22:00:41
        
        HaHa - sensible suggestions (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 22:10:16
        
        Yeh, it's in my favourites (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 22:14:25
        
        An increasing girth appears to be a common affliction for us 40-somethings (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 22:21:49
        
        What is this, mock Otto day? (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 25, 21:47:04
        
        Damn - didn't think you were around ... (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:52:10
        
        Actually may I just arse-kiss here a sec (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 21:54:47
        
        Cheers Suggy, it's nice to know not everyone considers me a pretentious c*** ... (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 25, 22:22:17
        
        oh you get that alot do you? (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 25, 22:35:04
        
        All the time. Some days I can't leave the house. It's agony. (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 25, 22:47:18
        
        Well that's very nice of you to say so - I'm sure many would disagree (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 22:04:09
        
        Well if it's a mutual love-in we're both after (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 22:07:01
        
        Oh, you are - well, more than me anyway ... (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 22:54:36
        
        Can't say I agree... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 25, 22:35:48
        
        I operate by stealth. (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 25, 21:53:38
    - Gotta go. I'd love to continue this debate. (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Jul 25, 20:56:35
      - Actually there is some evidence that so called primitive societies (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:14:38
        
        not sure how widespread that prosperity was though... (General Chat) - pat_abb, Jul 25, 21:22:57
        
        Here's a link (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:41:16
        
        Well, feel free to look up Zerzan, but heed my warning ... (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:34:01
        
        I don't think anyone seriously doubts (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 25, 21:22:03
        
        When do you mean? (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 21:27:49
        
        are you saying... (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 25, 21:50:38
        
        Sorry to hear that - that's terrible (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 22:00:29
        
        bearing in mind that all things are relative (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 22:03:00
        
        nothing to be sorry about. both fine within a few days (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 25, 22:02:55
        
        Phew - I'm glad to hear that (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 25, 22:15:15
        
        I cannot begin to imagine how you must've felt during those days (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 22:05:04
        
        not in the slightest. I didn't do anything. (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 25, 22:10:16
      - Another time, hopefully then (General Chat) - Suggy, Jul 25, 21:02:22

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