Ahem

The word "martyr" means "witness" in ancient Greek.

I think you'll find that all Christian martyrs were killed by other people for "witnessing" their faith, the earliest martyr being St Stephen.

There is something of a difference between being killed by others because of your faith, and deciding that your own faith requires you to kill yourself and other people.

Posted By: Old Git on July 15th 2005 at 14:47:20

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What Cherie said about suicide bombers (June 2002) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:21:34
- My shock of the day.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:32:04
  - you mean you're responisble for the london bombings? (General Chat) - Dave in France, Jul 15, 14:35:10
    - people don't learn much on my workshops! (n/m) (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:39:44
      - it was a marketing workshop, and their brand name is now better known (n/m) (General Chat) - mr carra, Jul 15, 14:55:12
      - All camcan customers - please form a queue for your refunds (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:48:50
        
        not now please.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:50:29
      - phew (n/m) (General Chat) - Dave in France, Jul 15, 14:44:21
  - camcan is al Qaeda mastermind shock! (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:34:50
    - I'd rather you'd not used that subject line! (n/m) (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:37:14
- Jack Straw has lost the plot - compassion for suicide bombers - yeah right ! (n/m) (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 15, 14:24:53
  - Shouldn't think he'll be repeating that one for a while (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:31:01
    - Can see the point though cos (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jul 15, 14:35:02
- i think you have to be a little bit mentally unstable to want to blow yourself up (General Chat) - Dave in France, Jul 15, 14:24:22
  - Its the martyrdom which is important (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 15, 14:34:27
    - Islam and martyrdom (General Chat) - mr carra, Jul 15, 14:44:29
      - Ahem (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:47:20
        
        and no Christain Saints killed other people? (General Chat) - mr carra, Jul 15, 14:53:30
        
        You may notice (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:59:10
        
        my point is still about martyrdom (General Chat) - mr carra, Jul 15, 15:03:16
        
        Sadly not so (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 15:13:29
    - No it's not. You only martyr yourself for a cause so the cause is the key (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jul 15, 14:35:56
      - fair point - (n/m) (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 15, 14:38:28
  - But that's standard (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:29:55
    - Someone said to the other day - no idea if true... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 14:33:05
      - Ask Mr. Safri I reckon (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jul 15, 14:37:16
      - haven't finished the koran yet (General Chat) - Dave in France, Jul 15, 14:36:23
        
        the ending is......don't read if you don't want to know (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 15, 14:37:18
      - see above martydom (n/m) (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 15, 14:34:59
      - that's something.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:34:08
  - I don't want to shatter any illusions here (General Chat) - SherryEnema, Jul 15, 14:27:14
    - Didn't see this... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 14:33:43
      - Radio 5. The next interviewee was a Muslim spokesman of one variety or another ... (General Chat) - roywallerslovechild, Jul 15, 14:37:08
        
        Imagine 40 virgins for eternity - all those "I don't think I'm ready for this yet" chats (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 15, 14:42:12
        
        hahaha (General Chat) - Dave in France, Jul 15, 14:45:20
        
        I heard that.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:38:24
  - Brainwashing innit. (General Chat) - roywallerslovechild, Jul 15, 14:26:40
    - As I understand it... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 14:35:52
      - Yeah - I heard something about 26 things on the radio this morning - wasn't concentrating (General Chat) - roywallerslovechild, Jul 15, 14:42:19
      - Brainwashing only puts in certain beliefs. It doesn't make you want to (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jul 15, 14:37:57
        
        Obviously hard to check Steve... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 14:44:27
        
        Yeah I guess it's a matter of opinion but I know what u mean and u know what I mean... (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jul 15, 14:48:28
        
        the guy on the radio this morning.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:48:09
        
        Did it work? (n/m) (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 14:52:51
        
        what the not smoking bit?? (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 15, 14:53:50
        
        Oh right. Well scub that theory then. (General Chat) - roywallerslovechild, Jul 15, 14:43:27
        
        As I said earlier... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 14:48:24
        
        For all RWLC's joking, I was actually offered a job there in March! (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Jul 15, 14:53:20
        
        And I assume you selfishly declined the offer... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 15, 15:07:10

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