See below & above for azreal's & my understanding of their demands

But, you're right: we're under threat until we cede to their demands. Spain was attacked for supporting the war (although the population opposed it by a large majority) and is no longer threatened as they have withdrawn from Iraq.

The UK should, of course, never give in because of the terrorist threat; but we should consider whether our we are doing the right things in the Middle East. While we're at war there; they'll be at war with us.

Posted By: BerlinCanary on July 14th 2005 at 19:12:14

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Re Muslims debate below. It is a fact that alot of muslims......... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:21:10
- utter bollox - Al Q was active before 9/11 (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:30:43
- As a muslim myself maybe I can help you lot understand a few things: (General Chat) - azrael, Jul 14, 18:51:43
  - Libya has agreed to give up its nuclear policy (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:47:14
  - I suspect that Irans attitude towards the USA is due to previous US meddling (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:39:10
    - As for N. Korea - I refer you to the Korean War (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:45:21
  - America also gives something like $ or ?3bn to Eqypt and gives money to Jordan (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:33:55
    - alot of money is also given to the Palestine Authority (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:34:32
  - The American troops in Saudi (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 14, 20:15:12
    - Actually the yanks moved to Qatar ! (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:32:32
    - The Russian troops were in Afghanistan at the request of the Afghan government* (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 20:46:11
- My overriding question/concern.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 14, 18:45:02
  - See below & above for azreal's & my understanding of their demands (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 19:12:14
    - I think you will find that the Spanish security forces headed off (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:50:36
- rubbish (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:34:25
  - Well, no ... (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 18:47:34
    - Iraq & Afghanistan are red herrings...... (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:52:59
    - maybe i'm being simple (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:51:51
      - Correct they do want to over throw our way of life and they want to control Spain (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:55:36
      - Clearly you've got to be more than a little warped (for want of a better word) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 19:03:52
  - True, but it happened in the US (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 14, 18:43:31
    - yeah totally shocking (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:47:51
      - almost as shocking as wondering (General Chat) - Wotb Big Boy, Jul 14, 19:20:41
  - yes but that was anti-americansim (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:40:23
    - the threats at the time went out to the whole west (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:44:23
      - Australian support for the Iraq war (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 18:49:29
        
        another excuse (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:53:35
        
        Lack of opportunity? (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 19:05:58
- That's up for debate... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 14, 18:24:40
  - for once i agree with the baron... (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:40:08
    - seperate the two wars (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:41:48
      - If Al Q were going to get a major hump then it would be for taking out their bases in (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 03:00:34
      - yeah ,fair enough...iraq then (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:42:40
  - Yeah Fierce Panda (General Chat) - Jesus, Jul 14, 18:35:20
    - Hands up who has heard someone say in the last week... (General Chat) - azrael, Jul 14, 18:38:27
      - they probably mean "muslims"!! (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:42:12
  - To the fanatics Israel and the US were the two major evils....... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:30:39
    - explain muslim bombing in Paris pre Afghanistan & Iraq (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 03:01:58
- agree (n/m) (General Chat) - Wotb Big Boy, Jul 14, 18:23:46
- Where do you get your crystal ball cleaned? (n/m) (General Chat) - cean doney, Jul 14, 18:23:26
  - No where. I just do'nt think we would be high on the fanatics list if we had........ (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:25:24
    - Is that why French journalists have been kidnapped in Iraq even though they opposed the (General Chat) - cean doney, Jul 14, 18:26:28
      - They were infidels in an Islamic land (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 18:51:29
      - Their Westerners, that is the reason they were kidnapped i would think. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:27:14
        
        france was against the war (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 26, Jul 14, 18:38:02
        
        even though they stank of garlic, come on! (n/m) (General Chat) - cean doney, Jul 14, 18:28:13
  - No where. I just do'nt think we would be high on the fanatics list if we had........ (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:25:19

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