Well, no ...

Bin Laden's stated aims are three fold (if I recall correctly):
- to rid Saudi Arabia (where he was born and most of the 9/11 terrorists were from by the way) of the Saud royal family
- to rid Islamic lands (according to his definition) of infidels (according to his definition)
- to return Palestine to the Palestinians (although, like Saddam, I don't think he really gives a s**t about the Palestinians

The US was attacked first because of it's involvement in all of the above; the UK, Spain, Italy & Denmark became targets when we & they joined in with Bush's crusade in Afghanistan and then in Iraq.

As Robert Fisk wrote in the Independent (User Posted Link 'Just before the U.S. presidential elections, bin Laden asked: "Why do we not attack Sweden?"'

Posted By: BerlinCanary on July 14th 2005 at 18:47:34

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Re Muslims debate below. It is a fact that alot of muslims......... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:21:10
- utter bollox - Al Q was active before 9/11 (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:30:43
- As a muslim myself maybe I can help you lot understand a few things: (General Chat) - azrael, Jul 14, 18:51:43
  - Libya has agreed to give up its nuclear policy (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:47:14
  - I suspect that Irans attitude towards the USA is due to previous US meddling (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:39:10
    - As for N. Korea - I refer you to the Korean War (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:45:21
  - America also gives something like $ or ?3bn to Eqypt and gives money to Jordan (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:33:55
    - alot of money is also given to the Palestine Authority (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:34:32
  - The American troops in Saudi (General Chat) - John in Texas, Jul 14, 20:15:12
    - Actually the yanks moved to Qatar ! (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:32:32
    - The Russian troops were in Afghanistan at the request of the Afghan government* (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 20:46:11
- My overriding question/concern.. (General Chat) - camcan, Jul 14, 18:45:02
  - See below & above for azreal's & my understanding of their demands (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 19:12:14
    - I think you will find that the Spanish security forces headed off (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:50:36
- rubbish (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:34:25
  - Well, no ... (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 18:47:34
    - Iraq & Afghanistan are red herrings...... (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:52:59
    - maybe i'm being simple (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:51:51
      - Correct they do want to over throw our way of life and they want to control Spain (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 02:55:36
      - Clearly you've got to be more than a little warped (for want of a better word) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 19:03:52
  - True, but it happened in the US (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 14, 18:43:31
    - yeah totally shocking (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:47:51
      - almost as shocking as wondering (General Chat) - Wotb Big Boy, Jul 14, 19:20:41
  - yes but that was anti-americansim (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:40:23
    - the threats at the time went out to the whole west (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:44:23
      - Australian support for the Iraq war (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 18:49:29
        
        another excuse (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:53:35
        
        Lack of opportunity? (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 19:05:58
- That's up for debate... (General Chat) - Fierce Panda, Jul 14, 18:24:40
  - for once i agree with the baron... (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:40:08
    - seperate the two wars (General Chat) - giant_Ullaa, Jul 14, 18:41:48
      - If Al Q were going to get a major hump then it would be for taking out their bases in (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 03:00:34
      - yeah ,fair enough...iraq then (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:42:40
  - Yeah Fierce Panda (General Chat) - Jesus, Jul 14, 18:35:20
    - Hands up who has heard someone say in the last week... (General Chat) - azrael, Jul 14, 18:38:27
      - they probably mean "muslims"!! (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 14, 18:42:12
  - To the fanatics Israel and the US were the two major evils....... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:30:39
    - explain muslim bombing in Paris pre Afghanistan & Iraq (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 15, 03:01:58
- agree (n/m) (General Chat) - Wotb Big Boy, Jul 14, 18:23:46
- Where do you get your crystal ball cleaned? (n/m) (General Chat) - cean doney, Jul 14, 18:23:26
  - No where. I just do'nt think we would be high on the fanatics list if we had........ (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:25:24
    - Is that why French journalists have been kidnapped in Iraq even though they opposed the (General Chat) - cean doney, Jul 14, 18:26:28
      - They were infidels in an Islamic land (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Jul 14, 18:51:29
      - Their Westerners, that is the reason they were kidnapped i would think. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:27:14
        
        france was against the war (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 26, Jul 14, 18:38:02
        
        even though they stank of garlic, come on! (n/m) (General Chat) - cean doney, Jul 14, 18:28:13
  - No where. I just do'nt think we would be high on the fanatics list if we had........ (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 14, 18:25:19

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