It is essentially an international problem though, which filters down to national levels.

Which is the problem. And my point was that things need to happen here - we need to deny Blair the opportunity to carry out his political programme.

That's a long-term project, though - it relies on getting people involved with a counter-political party (or project) and breaking down the influence of a media which is controlled by the same interests that control the government.

As for the people in Bradford you speak of, they do need addressing. As do the BNP supporters who will inevitably attack people verbally and physically as a result of this. I don't disagree with arrest and deportation in certain cases, as an immediate response - as I said, it is going to take a long time to change the global political climate, and its attendant domestic microcosm on Islamist/non-Islamist tension in British cities. But the fundamentalists of which you speak needn't have an event like this to celebrate - that's what makes me so angry about today (that, Blair's speech, and the crushing inevitability of it).

I'd love to argue this further but I'm getting very tired.

Posted By: Ottosson Foxtrot on July 8th 2005 at 04:07:03

Message Thread

Can i just say... (NCFC) - Ashton4England, Jul 8, 00:17:43
- amazingly good speech (if you heard all of it) from Ken (n/m) (NCFC) - oh arr, Jul 8, 09:57:22
- Osama probably says the same type of thing to his followers (NCFC) - Ben, Jul 8, 01:51:09
  - Thats bollocks Ben, only 36% of those who bothered, voted for Blair! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Jul 8, 10:29:40
  - Yes, but ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 8, 03:46:45
    - That makes a mockery of our supposedly free and democratic system (NCFC) - Ben, Jul 8, 10:16:24
      - Misunderstanding of democracy. (NCFC) - BeverlyHills0201, Jul 8, 10:23:29
  - Amazing (NCFC) - Kev, Jul 8, 02:22:35
    - thats how I read it too (n/m) (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 02:23:52
  - I agree with that... (NCFC) - pat_abb, Jul 8, 02:11:32
    - explain? (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 02:14:57
      - there are quite a few similarities (NCFC) - pat_abb, Jul 8, 02:20:02
        
        disagree (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 02:23:33
        
        yeh I see (NCFC) - pat_abb, Jul 8, 02:31:11
        
        certainly was in that sense (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 02:36:34
        
        Spain is far more complex than that. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 8, 03:17:02
        
        granted (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 03:23:24
        
        My immediate suggestion (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 8, 03:42:50
        
        ah but you speak of it like its an international problem (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 03:58:24
        
        It is essentially an international problem though, which filters down to national levels. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 8, 04:07:03
        
        not an argument, a reasoned debate (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 04:08:12
        
        ah found a reference to it (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 04:03:07
        
        I share your hatred of that man ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jul 8, 04:09:40
  - right (NCFC) - Stoopish, Jul 8, 02:05:34
    - I appreciate my views will piss some people off but... (NCFC) - Ben, Jul 8, 02:59:03
      - yawn (NCFC) - megson, Jul 8, 09:22:06
      - agree, well said (n/m) (NCFC) - fal5taff, Jul 8, 08:10:52
    - it's a generalisation... (NCFC) - pat_abb, Jul 8, 02:13:58

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