FAO Tricky - Gordon Brown's rule & implications thereof
1. The rule relates to the ECONOMIC CYCLE not a parliament
2. The rule relates to the PSBR element relating to current expenditure (not the spend re capital items)
being zero at the end of the defined cycle .
3. That means there can still be a PSBR for capital items at any point of the economic cycle.
4. Given 2) and 3) above its quite likely that the national debt will continue to grow as is the case for the next four years according to New Labour forecasts.
5. The definition of the Economic Cycle as to when it starts and ends can be changed ! So whats the point of the rule if it can be manipulated ?
6. In periods of 3% economic growth their should be
a surplus not a borrowing requirement (PSBR). You borrow in downturns and repay when the economy grows.
7. However the truth behind the economy during this last tax year is that the 3.1 % GDP growth was mainly as a result of the PSBR (and the multiplier effect of that PSBR) !!! In addition we should add the growth in PFI liabilities as they are a form of disguised government borrowing. Wonderful the
private sector part of the GDP probably didnt grow at all last tax year.
Posted By: oh arr on May 6th 2005 at 15:32:35
Message Thread
- FAO oh arr - for your information (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 6, 13:50:49
- Tricky - I do know the difference between the National Debt (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:07:17
- You obviously don't...... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:13:21
- PSBR or not to PSBR - ok define PSNCR for me ! :) (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:36:56
- Public Sector Net Cash Requirement...... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:40:42
- another load of New Labour name change bull* (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:50:48
- Public Sector Net Cash Requirement...... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:40:42
- PSBR or not to PSBR - ok define PSNCR for me ! :) (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:36:56
- You obviously don't...... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:13:21
- Look at the National Debt in absolute terms ie ?'s (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:00:08
- Correct..... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 14:05:10
- But....(and large but) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 6, 14:11:51
- FAO Tricky - Gordon Brown's rule & implications thereof (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:32:35
- Politicians and fiscal rules (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, May 6, 14:14:54
- fair point (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 6, 14:21:34
- At a rate of cutting the PSBR by ?2bn a year (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:12:52
- And it will have to be direct (General Chat) - Pragmatist, May 6, 14:32:12
- National Insurance. (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 14:36:30
- No you are wrong (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, May 6, 15:05:27
- I think in one of the central government docs they define it as tax on income (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:16:49
- They don't. (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:22:08
- You've got that wrong Beverley..... (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:42:47
- Hmmmm....... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:44:15
- You've got that wrong Beverley..... (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:42:47
- They don't. (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:22:08
- No...... (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 15:11:51
- I think in one of the central government docs they define it as tax on income (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:16:49
- Lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Pragmatist, May 6, 15:02:39
- No you are wrong (General Chat) - Winged Eel Creosote, May 6, 15:05:27
- National Insurance. (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 14:36:30
- The "rules" were themselves political, not some sort of economic theory. (General Chat) - BeverlyHills0201, May 6, 14:31:43
- fair point (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 6, 14:21:34
- But....(and large but) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 6, 14:11:51
- although - having read that again... (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, May 6, 13:52:37
- Tricky - I do know the difference between the National Debt (General Chat) - oh arr, May 6, 15:07:17
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