Go on then, i'll bite
If you actually listened to his content, you'd know that Gary is broadly advocating something like the Zucman tax.
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Very high level summary. A 2% annual "tax of last resort" on the wealth of dollar billionaires (with a variant also raised that would cover those with wealth in excess of 100m). Lot's of detail and debate around how it works, whether exit taxes could avoid flight, blah blah. But that's the idea.
The purpose of the tax is basically to address a cohort of individuals with the ability to pay close to zero income/capital gains tax at all, ever. The strategies adopted are entirely legal - I dont need to tell you what they are - but the end result is extraordinarily wealthy people accumulating ever more extraordinary levels of wealth and yet facing incredibly low marginal rates of tax - reporting no income and almost never selling assets, hence never triggering any tax liability.
Zucman reckons the billionaire version would affect 3,000 people globally, although the number of billionaires is growing rapidly. If the billionaires could demonstrate payment of more than 2% already, they wouldnt pay anything extra. He reckons it would raise 200-250 bn, with the 100mn wealth threshold version raising another 100 to 140 bn.
I dont get why anyone would s**t the bed about something like that as a proposal? It's not the politics of envy, its not punitive....it's just "come on man, you've had it amazingly good for a long time, but now you need to cough up too, at a fraction of the rate faced by almost everyone else".
For example.....I grew up in a council house on the Tuckswood estate and have inherited f**k all other than a a few kind words and best wishes. The marginal rate of tax I pay on income is 47%. Despite this rate, which you might call punitive, somehow I still manage to get up and drag myself into the office to earn my wage and bonus. If people far more wealthy than me - wealthy beyond most people's wildest dreams - are asked to stump up an annual 2% on wealth is that such a big deal? Not only does that seem "fair" to me (at least more fair), if anything it feels like not enough. Is something like that likely to destroy the incentive for enterprise and innovation? I just dont see it. Average long run world stock market returns are 8-10%, so most billionaires will continue to pile up even more wealth even if they did have to pay this.
I know I'm going to regret it, but I am genuinely interested in exactly what it is that you Telegraph readers actually hate about a proposal along these lines? I'm willing to bet that it wont change the tax affairs of you or a single one of your clients.
(Full disclosure - if Burnham does proceed with some sort of wealth tax and proposes something f**king stupid, I reserve the right to say that I think it's wrong and a pile of s**t. Contrary to what you might believe, I am not Che Guevara.)
Posted By: Under soil heating on June 24th 2026 at 13:23:06
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- Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:11:54
- Go on then, i'll bite (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 13:23:06
- ‘Gary’ is a moron who doesn’t understand basic taxation (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 13:53:32
- You know what (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 14:22:01
- I had no intention of insulting you and nor would I (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 14:52:10
- Thanks JD (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 15:13:58
- How is thought to enforce a wealth tax v billionaires? (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 24, 16:28:25
- What would he really nice (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 15:40:38
- Saw an interview recently with Dan N (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 15:56:32
- It’s been cobbled together over the years and it’s all (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 16:04:19
- Saw an interview recently with Dan N (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 15:56:32
- Thanks JD (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 15:13:58
- I had no intention of insulting you and nor would I (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 14:52:10
- You know what (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 14:22:01
- Fidel? (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 24, 13:33:35
- Hola, camarada!! (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 13:37:19
- Shhh (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 24, 13:43:08
- Hola, camarada!! (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 13:37:19
- ‘Gary’ is a moron who doesn’t understand basic taxation (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 13:53:32
- You voted for Brexit 😂 damaging our economy for the past 10 years (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 24, 10:27:37
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- Thankfully! (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:42:34
- Why are you wealthly enough to be affected ? (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Jun 24, 10:15:01
- Very much doubt it (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 24, 10:16:43
- Keep farting into your multi day unwashed pants son (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:17:44
- Why do you love the wealthy so much? Bit pathetic (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 24, 10:19:26
- He's a financial advisor if I recall? Turkeys and Christmas and all that (n/m) (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 10:29:31
- Correct but I help working people (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:46:57
- It wasn't meant as a dig. Just that you are unlikely to support wealth taxes (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 14:20:14
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- I've always found the financial advisor model interesting (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 24, 11:58:33
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- Three decades eh? (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 24, 13:30:21
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- Lot of successful professionals on here (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 24, 14:27:16
- Three decades eh? (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 24, 13:30:21
- I’ve worked in financial services for 30 years this year (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 12:28:40
- Cheers! (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 24, 12:23:48
- Good questions (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 12:11:57
- It wasn't meant as a dig. Just that you are unlikely to support wealth taxes (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 14:20:14
- wealthy people are a consequence of a free wealthy, successful country (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 24, 10:33:18
- I would argue that Scandinavian social democracy is a better model than the UK (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 10:38:06
- nothing wrong with wealthy scandi's then? (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 24, 11:02:41
- Scandanavia has lower income inequality than US / UK etc (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 14:23:09
- Higher taxes do lead to economic stagnation (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:51:59
- I agree (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 10:51:26
- We already raise “a fairly typical amount of tax by international standards” (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 24, 10:55:53
- This bit at the end sums up the societal / political problem well (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:23:26
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- The spending is the issue we have in the UK (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 11:43:09
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- The spending is the issue we have in the UK (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 11:43:09
- You can have a good deal of both (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 24, 11:40:18
- Missed a bit..... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:24:15
- This bit at the end sums up the societal / political problem well (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:23:26
- And that is a very fair point (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:55:24
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- They are great (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:52:28
- This all sounds very familiar! (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 12:01:13
- I had a 911SC back in the day... (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 24, 12:02:52
- Have you seen how much they go for now? (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 12:16:36
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- Have you seen how much they go for now? (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 12:16:36
- I had a 911SC back in the day... (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 24, 12:02:52
- This all sounds very familiar! (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 12:01:13
- They are great (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:52:28
- New shape Z4s are nice and pretty good VFM if you get a 2019/20 model (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 11:41:02
- When we had a third sprog I had to get rid of my 330d (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:32:24
- 435d - incredible car tbf, had it nine years (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 24, 11:46:13
- That depends (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 24, 11:25:30
- Ha, a humble 12 year old Beemer 4 series (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 24, 10:57:35
- You do drive a Rolls Royce though (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:56:26
- We already raise “a fairly typical amount of tax by international standards” (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 24, 10:55:53
- nothing wrong with wealthy scandi's then? (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 24, 11:02:41
- I would argue that Scandinavian social democracy is a better model than the UK (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 10:38:06
- Correct but I help working people (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:46:57
- He's a financial advisor if I recall? Turkeys and Christmas and all that (n/m) (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 24, 10:29:31
- Why do you love the wealthy so much? Bit pathetic (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 24, 10:19:26
- Keep farting into your multi day unwashed pants son (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:17:44
- Very much doubt it (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 24, 10:16:43
- Very good. You should read his book. Might learn a thing or two (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 24, 10:14:04
- Is his book called “how to create multiple user IDs on football chatrooms”? (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 24, 10:17:00
- Go on then, i'll bite (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 24, 13:23:06
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