his other big problem is that I'm not sure he had a plan?

Or a vision?

He has been a good administrator and made some good progress on various things, but he hasn't come across like he is really taking us anywhere with it. Needed to be more of a leader.

I expect he will look better in a few years with hindsight.

Posted By: CWC on June 22nd 2026 at 14:04:52

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Resign Starmer (n/m) (General Chat) - Duck, Jun 22, 09:22:21
- 100th reply (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 12:04:18
  - And it was shit (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jun 22, 13:01:54
    - WTII? (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jun 22, 13:09:27
    - Well there it is (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 13:03:04
      - There we are then (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 13:11:45
        
        Details (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 13:15:54
  - 101 (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Jun 22, 12:27:01
- but he said on Friday that he would fight a challenge! (General Chat) - shoddy, Jun 22, 10:55:20
  - He’s no Macron (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 11:06:42
    - Macron had approval ratings of just over 10% not so long ago (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 11:20:28
    - Starmer has never been as unpopular as Macron domestically! (General Chat) - shoddy, Jun 22, 11:13:25
- His Labour leadership was a pack of lies from start to finish - it won't change anything (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jun 22, 10:19:20
- The Liam Manning of politics. “It’s one of those” could be his epitaph. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:09:43
  - The one redeeming thing about Manning (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorceee, Jun 22, 10:13:35
    - 😁 (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:14:37
- I’m not a Labour man but I really hope Burnham can do something positive (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:07:57
  - 10 years ago the country was promised a better future (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 22, 10:32:38
  - I agree re. the division, Brexit, UKIP, Reform or whatever started it, I cannot see (General Chat) - BSE Canary, Jun 22, 10:21:36
    - I have a simple theory (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:24:20
      - Haha like there’s any justice any more (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 10:26:18
        
        This was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Shoot Them In The Face Party (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:56:47
        
        VMT (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 11:09:13
  - I hope so too. Burnham’s had so many political flavours it’s hard to speculate (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:11:57
    - I read that he's got some big hitter economists advising him to avoid that (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:17:45
      - Please God not this clown 🤣 (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:20:10
        
        haha, no (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:20:59
    - He will get a nasty shock if he does! (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:14:50
      - Would even reform be able to tackle that? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 10:19:11
        
        Somebody needs to try (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:21:43
        
        Starmer tried a bit but backbenchers blocked him (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:23:20
        
        That’s true (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:25:40
        
        Because they'd have kicked him out (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 22, 10:27:35
        
        That was his big problem really (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 11:13:55
        
        his other big problem is that I'm not sure he had a plan? (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 22, 14:04:52
        
        & what's burnham's plan, I wonder, that we're all meant to be so pleased about? (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 14:19:36
        
        easy (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 22, 14:43:12
        
        More of the same I imagine. (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 15:29:24
        
        Nationalising water for a start. GTFI (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 14:28:04
        
        Gets my vote (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 14:41:54
        
        The PM resigned this morning. Chill. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jun 22, 14:25:02
        
        VMT. However some of the hills he did chose to die on (and then did a u-turn) were ill (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Jun 22, 11:39:46
      - No (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:15:57
    - Already done a u-turn the other week (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 10:14:30
      - Why the numbers?? (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:15:30
        
        Dunno 🤷‍♂️ (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 10:16:45
        
        😁 (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:18:02
  - agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 10:11:32
  - Amen (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jun 22, 10:10:27
- He’s been an utter catastrophe from start to finish (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 09:58:49
  - Lol - that's a terrible example (General Chat) - norwaay, Jun 22, 10:01:52
    - I think generally he is viewed as not being a disaster (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:03:41
      - Blair was super popular until Iraq (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:05:49
        
        people won't reflect on this at all but i'd stand starmer a pint (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 10:28:05
        
        3000+ vexatious claims against veterans (General Chat) - Pat mustard, Jun 22, 14:18:11
        
        💯 (n/m) (General Chat) - JurgenColin, Jun 22, 13:10:07
        
        VMT (n/m) (General Chat) - Azteca, Jun 22, 13:07:24
        
        🎯🎯🎯 (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorceee, Jun 22, 13:05:08
        
        Well said on all fronts Tombs (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 22, 11:38:30
        
        Yep, Burnham will be hated by the next election, which he will lose (General Chat) - megson, Jun 22, 12:56:19
        
        You can hardly blame the right, and surely not mid term pollinng (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 14:05:44
        
        Exactly this. (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Jun 22, 10:32:36
        
        That's his big plus point - he is respected internationally (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:32:09
        
        Would rather he did something positive here in Britain (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 10:39:02
        
        Things that happen globally have a vast impact on us - and everyone else (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:41:16
        
        Of course? And what little difference has anything Starmer said (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 11:10:29
        
        i'm still cock-a-hoop that fuel prices have spiralled up because of trump (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 10:44:22
        
        It's less to do with the impact (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 11:12:07
        
        ukr hitting back big yesterday in crimea (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 10:38:44
        
        👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Jun 22, 10:31:41
        
        Agreed, not getting involved in another war across the globe (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 10:30:43
        
        True (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:10:05
- Trump would always put himself not the people/country first (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 22, 09:42:41
- What's that music playing? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:33:51
  - Steve fucking Bray (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 22, 09:34:52
    - What a twat (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 22, 09:42:44
    - I assumed he'd given up after getting rid of the Tories (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:36:18
      - Nope, he's still there. Loving the attention, I would guess. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 22, 09:37:18
        
        At least he’s balanced in his criticism lol (n/m) (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 09:59:56
        
        Looks like the cops are about to shut him up (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:38:29
        
        He’s very annoying but pretty sad (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:13:26
- and dont let the door hit your arse on the way out (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 22, 09:32:37
  - twat (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 09:54:53
  - and he's blubbing (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 22, 09:38:45
    - ...and your problem with that is? (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Jun 22, 11:32:57
    - twat (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 09:54:35
    - So did Thatcher (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:39:06
      - i bet you are as well (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 22, 09:41:10
        
        twat (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 09:55:05
        
        come on .... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 22, 10:29:57
        
        you can't (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 10:32:12
        
        🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣...... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jun 22, 11:03:29
        
        well, it's your backronym (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 22, 11:48:12
        
        Not at all. Correct decision (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:41:56
        
        Also not a Starmer fan but was still better than any of the tory PMs in recent years (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 22, 09:48:34
        
        He did very little different to Sunak (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 09:53:15
        
        Sunak was given a hospital pass when he took over (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Jun 22, 10:01:54
        
        Starmer received exactly the same pass. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorceee, Jun 22, 13:08:02
        
        Dis the right wing press send all the lefties to the Green party? (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 16:49:12
        
        The country was every bit as fucked when Starmer took over (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 10:05:06
        
        The key thing now (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jun 22, 10:10:25
        
        Didn't you say recently (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 14:17:42
        
        VMT (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jun 22, 10:08:12
- We are ungovernable. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorceee, Jun 22, 09:29:23
  - completely disagree; we've been governed by morons, by and large, in recent times (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 09:44:26
    - Whatever Keir Starmer is, he's not a moron (General Chat) - norwaay, Jun 22, 09:54:30
    - Johnson and Truss, certainly. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorceee, Jun 22, 09:48:41
    - Disagree, just read some Dominic Cummings (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 09:45:17
      - internally ungovernable not the same as ungovernable as a people (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 09:52:36
        
        The world is a mess (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:55:43
        
        It's impossible for the government to enact meaningful change (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 09:54:10
  - Can't blame him for leaving. Worst job ever. (n/m) (General Chat) - Trent_Canary, Jun 22, 09:38:27
    - Impossible poison chalice post Brexit (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 22, 09:39:27
      - Impossible to get anything through the civil service (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 22, 09:44:39
- I look forward to Burnham derangement syndrome (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:29:12
  - the derangement is thinking that he's somehow the obvious answer (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 09:45:38
    - Who should be PM? from any party (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 22, 09:54:45
    - He's only the obvious answer on the basis of *current* (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:47:21
      - government by approval ratings -what could possibly go wrong (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 09:53:38
        
        As per my reply above, I'm sure he'll soon be unpopular (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:56:59
        
        yes - probably - but you must live by your beliefs and decisions (General Chat) - paulg, Jun 22, 10:14:58
        
        TBH some changey whangey hope type vibes would make a nice change! (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 22, 10:17:24
      - Here (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 22, 09:48:06

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