I'm not sure

That any country has seen immigration on the scale of the England in the last 10/15 years and happily remained integrated. I've made the point before- we currently lack a national story. Chuck in economic hardship and a good dose of self flagellation about privilege etc and whoosh.
I'm just back from Norway... the contrast is stark - Norwegian flags fluttering from buildings,no weekly race riots ... but not a country exactly known for its diversity (or likely to be anytime soon).
Immigration is both inevitable and potentially beneficial ... but requires an effort of integration into a cohesive society- we're the very opposite. I think it'll get much worse before it gets better (if it does). I just hope I'm wrong really

Posted By: paulg on August 26th 2025 at 13:26:30

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How did Britain become so divided ? Is there a way forward? (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 11:56:02
- I blame the beaker people (n/m) (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Aug 26, 17:22:09
  - *Citation needed (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Aug 26, 17:22:35
- It’s not a Britain issue, it’s global (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Aug 26, 15:19:23
- Credit crunch >> brexit >> covid >> higher prices >> resentment (n/m) (General Chat) - Goosebumps, Aug 26, 14:11:13
- If you look back at history, what’s happening now isn’t all that different from before. (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 26, 14:05:59
  - The big (very very big) difference is scale (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 14:27:01
    - Agreed in the last ten years the numbers have significantly increased but they were not (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 26, 14:54:21
      - I guess culturally and integration is key (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 15:29:57
        
        What about the views of some Christian groups? (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:37:47
        
        Do we have an issue with Christian fundamentalism (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 15:43:06
        
        I would say any fundamentalist ideology is problematic (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:52:35
        
        Christian fundamentalism in the UK (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 26, 17:40:59
        
        So unless something is on a terror watch list. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 17:56:14
        
        It’s a good indicator of a problem that’s for sure (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 26, 18:16:32
        
        Agree 100% (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 18:30:30
        
        Just this week. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 19:12:20
        
        No mention of christianity in that article at least (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 26, 19:22:54
        
        Right… (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 19:37:38
      - % population of England born abroad is about 17% (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 15:21:42
        
        Yes and that includes the previous migrations I mentioned. It hasn't all just happened. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 26, 17:15:17
        
        And in terms of effects clearly depends on place of origin (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 15:24:42
        
        Go on, Paul. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:36:12
        
        Have you ever been abroad? (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 15:39:37
        
        I’m currently abroad. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:57:55
        
        Some integrate more easily than others. This must be obvious even to you (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 16:11:43
        
        Define integrate. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 16:21:39
        
        🤦‍♂️ (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 16:27:26
      - Stop with your facts. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:15:20
      - And pheasants and muntjacs and London parakeets (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Aug 26, 15:02:21
  - Yep, see the Windrush generation and how they were 'welcomed' (n/m) (General Chat) - Adster, Aug 26, 14:21:32
- Also, to put the weekend protest in Norwich in perspective... (General Chat) - Klobo04, Aug 26, 13:54:26
  - I'd wager that support for the anti migrant (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 14:03:21
- People are so entrenched in their view points that they are incapable of seeing past them (General Chat) - Klobo04, Aug 26, 13:32:23
  - He’s not entirely wrong (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 26, 17:58:15
  - Did he say (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 26, 13:34:34
- I'm not sure (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 13:26:30
  - Interesting stat (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 26, 13:41:56
    - Did that include cod and skate? [coming into our waters and eating our krill] (n/m) (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Aug 26, 13:45:51
    - Yes that is interesting (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 13:45:39
  - You should take a look at Simon Reeves Nordics show. (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 13:40:50
    - I saw a bit, but didn't properly watch - i will (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 13:43:43
      - The main Norway bit was they used the oil money (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 13:48:08
        
        Thatcher used the oil money to keep down other taxes (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Aug 26, 13:55:11
        
        I see they've recently found a big new field (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 13:52:36
- This "more peaceful time" line you've trotted out (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Aug 26, 12:31:08
  - We've always had riots , always civil unrest (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 12:42:24
    - You've a very selective memory (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Aug 26, 13:06:16
      - Please. A terrorist organisation fighting for Ireland (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 13:37:00
        
        Race riots in Bradford in 2001 (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 26, 13:44:04
        
        So 24 years ago , a single city issue (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 13:55:31
        
        Not sure how old you are but don't you remember the NF and ANL in the seventies. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 26, 14:07:47
        
        50 years ago.... (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 14:17:48
        
        You are just trying to make your agenda fit the facts (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Aug 26, 14:38:31
        
        Sorry, you are nuts if you think the examples are comparable (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 15:23:21
        
        Concerned parents. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 17:21:33
        
        There is a resurgence of nationalism across western societies. Trump and the MAGA movement (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 26, 14:32:31
        
        So what are the lefts solutions (General Chat) - phrankin, Aug 26, 17:30:49
        
        This shouldn't be a "left vs right" debate and making it such just polarises opinions and (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Aug 26, 18:21:06
- Divide and conquer....the oldest trick in the book. (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Aug 26, 12:27:40
  - Yep 👍. By design. (n/m) (General Chat) - jimbo, Aug 26, 13:24:00
- Well we have all played a role, and all have a role to play (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Aug 26, 12:25:37
  - Oh I'm happy to play a part , and have opinion (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 12:46:22
    - I think you just answered your own question by reference to yourself (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Aug 26, 12:58:24
- When they started putting pineapple on pizza (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 12:21:35
  - 😂 love a Hawaiian (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Aug 26, 12:23:51
- Tbf you are the only one taking about burning Palestinian flags.. (General Chat) - loz, Aug 26, 11:58:09
  - And this a classic example (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 12:04:29
  - i wouldn't burn a palestinian but ...... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 26, 12:00:13
    - "Flag" (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 26, 12:00:32
      - I'm glad you added that... (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 26, 12:05:33
- Brexit. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 11:57:58
  - Yes , i guess Brexit the wedge that did open the gap. (General Chat) - Disco, Aug 26, 12:06:26
    - You misunderstand. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:19:55
    - Same issues in France, Germany, Italy, Holland.... (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 13:37:53
      - Examples please. (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 15:17:26
        
        You genuinely haven't noticed...?!? (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 15:26:17
        
        I see… (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 16:07:57
        
        Possibly try the interweb? (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 26, 16:30:43
        
        Ah. A problem with racists. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Aug 26, 17:02:30
  - Yep (General Chat) - Nelsons final flanel, Aug 26, 12:01:39

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