*two of the top four

Joël Piroe has scored more than Borja Sainz
& Josh Brownhill has scored more than Josh Sargent

i'd forgotten about our pragmatic, old war dogs scoring rate last season though:
79 GFs in 23/24 (64 GAs +15 GD)
vs
67 GFs in 44 games of 24/25 (66 GAs +1 GD)

Wagner did have the advantage of coming in midseason 22/23 though, so had longer to bed-in his style

still, s**tty & underhand from ZW - quelle surprise from that family - and also illuminating "terms of employment" for Jacky Backdoor, but at least Hoff went into it knowing those terms.

also illuminating that he won't do it again without more of his people around him; farke took quite a big german coaching staff over here in comparison, didnt he?

Posted By: DJ Ginga on April 30th 2025 at 15:06:17

Message Thread

JHT speaks about leaving NCFC (NCFC) - Klobo04, Apr 30, 13:21:00
- I’m confused what different decisions would have been made if he knew top 6 was the aim (NCFC) - Duck, Apr 30, 13:50:39
  - concede fewer goals perhaps? (NCFC) - Tombs, Apr 30, 13:56:24
    - TBF we fell off a cliff. (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 15:27:06
    - Knapper said then we should be targeting at least the play offs every season (NCFC) - Fenwood Lad, Apr 30, 15:25:57
      - apparently our football club is a "project" (NCFC) - Tombs, Apr 30, 16:03:11
    - That Feb interview with knapper (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Apr 30, 14:20:29
    - "Norwich are next in action on Saturday when they travel to Blackburn Rovers" (NCFC) - Klobo04, Apr 30, 14:02:23
  - More pragmatic style? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Apr 30, 13:52:10
    - I think his statement a few weeks after the WBA game fucked him. (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 15:20:54
- Certainly ties in with those Zoe Webber program notes (NCFC) - inutero, Apr 30, 13:35:51
  - He wasn't sacked because of not reaching the top 6 (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Apr 30, 14:10:06
    - Could you flip some of that in his defence though? (NCFC) - Klobo04, Apr 30, 15:29:44
      - You'd think that a decent coach should be able to get the team playing the way he wanted (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Apr 30, 15:43:08
        
        Yes but it takes time and a refresh of players. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Apr 30, 15:45:28
        
        needing a massive churn would imply a ridiculously stubborn adherence to a style (NCFC) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Apr 30, 17:52:36
        
        TBF he did vs WBA then had a strop saying he hated the style of play. (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 17:58:17
      - 100% this. (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Apr 30, 15:39:14
        
        I suspect they didn't anticipate the bump in the road being results going off a cliff... (NCFC) - Pixelman, Apr 30, 15:49:51
        
        Possibly but the decision then is whether you hold your nerve and stick to your plans or (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Apr 30, 15:57:25
        
        All plans are off once the dressing room is lost (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 30, 16:47:56
        
        Not if you plan to change the dressing room. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Apr 30, 17:16:32
        
        Huh? A lot of those players were ones he brought in. (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 21:42:43
    - Nailed it.....Spitting truth bombs... (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 15:19:04
      - You're missing the bigger picture. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Apr 30, 15:41:08
        
        What is the bigger picture im missing? (n/m) (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 16:58:40
    - Personally I'd prefer not to play a style that suits Duffy. (n/m) (NCFC) - The Gaffer, Apr 30, 15:18:17
    - *two of the top four (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 15:06:17
      - i'm forgetting... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 16:20:30
        
        Came in with almost guarantee of the managers job (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 16:43:23
        
        I think you have to take these things at face value up to a point (NCFC) - norwaay, Apr 30, 17:08:08
        
        So not giving JHT his own back room appointment (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 17:17:16
        
        yep, absolutely; painted himself into a corner as someone mentioned on here today (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 17:50:31
        
        can't also be asking the supporters for patience and then show none themselves (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 17:59:19
        
        Definitely, let’s hope he proves himself and signs (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 21:39:36
        
        expression credit: The Gaffer (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 17:55:46
        
        Yep, that's fair enough (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Apr 30, 17:18:49
        
        Maybe they thought at the time that Hoff would do a blinder and get poached by Man Utd (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Apr 30, 16:46:40
        
        Maybe they could take Knapper too (n/m) (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 17:01:52
        
        23rd October 2024 ftr (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 16:33:12
        
        30th May 2024 for Hoff on a 3yr contract, ftr (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 16:34:34
        
        so he was backdoored five months into a three year project, ftr (n/m) (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 30, 17:41:53
    - Spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 30, 14:30:43
- I'm confused (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Apr 30, 13:34:43
  - I thought you said I was confused? (NCFC) - Chair_of_the_Bored, Apr 30, 20:26:51
  - its excude making 101....never admit anything. (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 30, 15:30:08
  - he must have had some say on recruitment (n/m) (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Apr 30, 13:42:09
    - Probably. But his points seems to be (NCFC) - Azteca, Apr 30, 13:44:52
  - Does he mean recruitment could have been players ready (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 13:41:21
    - The sounds from the club were consistently 'transitional' (n/m) (NCFC) - Azteca, Apr 30, 13:42:50
      - Yeah, that makes Zoe Webbers note more odd (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 13:48:05
        
        It *was* a transition season - but with some gateway reviews to tick off (NCFC) - norwaay, Apr 30, 15:13:16
        
        Possible they knew he was sacked when she wrote that? (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 15:26:25
        
        If the prog editor sees something that might raise a flag (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Apr 30, 15:22:52
        
        I imagine they just do what they're told. (n/m) (NCFC) - norwaay, Apr 30, 15:45:34
        
        Always the best way to run things! (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Apr 30, 16:43:39
  - I think there are few examples where he prioritised youth over experience (NCFC) - Klobo04, Apr 30, 13:38:31
    - Not convinced. (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Apr 30, 13:49:41
  - Surely loss of leaders I.e. Hanley , Barnes etc… (NCFC) - loz, Apr 30, 13:36:36
- Any chance of a translation please? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Apr 30, 13:22:35
  - They're all cunts and I'm a genius (n/m) (NCFC) - LittleMouseWithClogs, Apr 30, 16:08:44
  - ... (NCFC) - Klobo04, Apr 30, 13:24:07
    - If what he says about expectations is true, that doesn't reflect well on Knapper / Club (n/m) (NCFC) - Azteca, Apr 30, 13:36:48
      - Fair point on bringing in his own staff as well… (NCFC) - loz, Apr 30, 13:37:48
        
        Is that line aimed at Wilshere? (NCFC) - littletinyphil, Apr 30, 15:41:53
    - Oh look, Jack's "terms of employment" (NCFC) - mr carra, Apr 30, 13:25:49
      - Blimey (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 30, 15:33:23
      - Nailed on job for Jack then feels a bit odd.. (NCFC) - loz, Apr 30, 13:33:08
        
        he'll get sacked (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Apr 30, 13:42:05
        
        Not necessarily, I don't think Knapper expected him to (NCFC) - Azteca, Apr 30, 13:41:25
        
        Chances of a Champs manager lasting anywhere near 3/4 years are pretty remote (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, Apr 30, 13:55:47

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