Surely there’s some middle ground here?

As I wasn’t there I’m not going to jump to conclusions, but I don’t think it’s implausible, given the huge number of people who travelled there from Liverpool, that some of them didn’t have tickets. Assuming they were just going to enjoy the atmosphere and be part of the spectacle is perfectly fine, but I don’t think it’d be unreasonable to suggest *some* of them would try to get into the stadium. Likewise, given that St Denis is in places a fairly deprived area with its share of issues, it’s likely that there would be some local yoof wanting to be part of the action or even provoke it. It’s not like that wouldn’t happen here, is it? Then you’ve got the local reaction to having your street, square, whatever, “taken over” by thousands of well-lubricated hilarious scousers. However well-meaning they may be, it’s a pain in the arse. Police reaction to this is pretty similar all over the place, not just France. As for politicians’ reactions, I’m not overly surprised to see the British being portrayed somewhat negatively, given the way the French are routinely described in our independent and well-scrutinised media. It’s not a case of innocent v guilty, it’s an imperfect world with imperfect people.

Posted By: APB on May 30th 2022 at 10:26:59

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Hopefully they apologise (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:16:08
- Pre-filtering at the stadium showed 70% of tickets were fake (Other Football) - Ben, May 30, 15:02:14
  - it is very unlikely that those numbers are correct (Other Football) - Henclrikus, May 30, 15:35:58
- I had a number of friends and family who went. (Other Football) - AvengingCanary, May 30, 11:40:50
- Looking on the bright side (Other Football) - Old Git, May 30, 11:36:38
  - 😂 (n/m) (Other Football) - Azteca, May 30, 11:38:55
- I've been watching a lot of French media since this debacle (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 09:41:18
  - Incorrect, some Liverpool fans did show up without tickets or with fakes, (Other Football) - I Am H2O, May 30, 10:40:52
    - And when you get a tiny minority doing things they shouldn't you manage that appropriately (Other Football) - norwaay, May 30, 10:49:54
      - VMT ✅ (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, May 30, 11:01:01
  - Surely there’s some middle ground here? (Other Football) - APB, May 30, 10:26:59
    - Correct. There would have been fault in a lot of areas I'm sure (Other Football) - Azteca, May 30, 10:56:56
    - "our independent and well-scrutinised media" (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 10:45:14
      - The French media I have looked at... (Other Football) - mr carra, May 30, 11:10:14
      - here is an example of french media / government meeting the real world (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 10:56:40
        
        Not sure what’s so wrong with that, tbf (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, May 30, 13:40:40
    - Surely the main issue is that their ticket checking procedure (Other Football) - jamesward, May 30, 10:31:12
      - Yep which began hours before kick off (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 10:38:02
  - Some liverpool fans did and at least one twat (Other Football) - Azteca, May 30, 09:47:30
    - Well that defo explains everything (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:53:53
      - Well it doesn't but it does explain that ticketless fans was part of it (Other Football) - Azteca, May 30, 09:57:41
        
        Dearie me (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:59:57
        
        I know. So close to the Anniversary of Heysel, too (n/m) (Other Football) - Azteca, May 30, 10:01:36
        
        Yea exactly multiple factors Klopp (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:59:56
        
        Encouraging thousands to turn up without tickets another (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 10:00:14
    - Weren’t the fake ones e-tickets on phones etc ? (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:48:49
      - having a workflow/security for dealing with fake tickets (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, May 30, 09:51:17
        
        Agree (Other Football) - ChampsChamps2023, May 30, 13:33:49
      - The french are sticking to the story that the liverpool fans wanted paper tickets (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 09:50:06
        
        Would make sense but why were the issues all at one end ? (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:51:20
        
        They weren’t (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:55:26
        
        I guess the english were targetted by the locals (n/m) (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 09:54:12
        
        And the Spanish (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:56:29
- Life is shades of grey dear boy (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, May 30, 09:31:01
  - The vast majority were (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:34:23
    - I find it hard to think of a reason (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, May 30, 09:40:35
      - But there were issues with both sets (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:53:15
        
        Sorry, but I don't trust Twitter as a reliable source (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, May 30, 09:56:18
        
        Eh it’s a Spanish media article (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:58:06
        
        Bye then (n/m) (Other Football) - Wrath analytica, May 30, 10:01:09
- Do we know how many rocked uo (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:29:51
  - Police on french radio said 30 or 50k (n/m) (Other Football) - Dave in France, May 30, 09:39:59
    - its utter shite Dave (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 09:42:27
  - Up with fake tickets ? (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:30:02
    - Clearly there were some and will always be (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 09:40:44
      - I blame the blockchains (n/m) (Other Football) - Augustus Pablo, May 30, 09:59:03
        
        Essex blames Brexit (n/m) (Other Football) - paulg, May 30, 12:43:49
        
        Yep (n/m) (Other Football) - ChampsChamps2023, May 30, 12:46:07
        
        No way bro,blockchain is infallible. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, May 30, 12:38:01
        
        Exactly (Other Football) - ChampsChamps2023, May 30, 12:47:44
      - ahhh Paris in the Spring (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, May 30, 09:43:50
        
        I managed to avoid it there (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 10:02:06
        
        St Denis is one of the poorer parts of Paris (n/m) (Other Football) - APB, May 30, 10:29:26
      - For sure shambolic policing Klopp also should take his share of the blame … (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:42:25
        
        yep, who in their right mind would want to spend time in Paris (Other Football) - shoddy, May 30, 09:43:32
        
        I've always found it a bit weird when people travel without tickets (Other Football) - Cardiff Canary, May 30, 09:47:21
        
        Reckless and irr sponsible (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:57:49
        
        Irresponsible from klopp (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 09:57:59
        
        Your one-eyed hatred of Liverpool is doing you zero favours here. (Other Football) - norwaay, May 30, 10:32:31
        
        The actual Liverpool site urged ticketless fans not to travel … (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 11:08:08
        
        If they’d sent them to Rwanda it would’ve solved the problem (Other Football) - ChampsChamps2023, May 30, 13:39:18
        
        Yes, I get that you're not really that interested in what *actually* happened. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, May 30, 11:20:52
        
        Panicky police make shocking judgement calls and innocent … (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 11:25:35
        
        Panicky 🤣🤣 (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 11:38:28
        
        No I’m saying it’s a contributory factor that Liverpool club comms… (Other Football) - loz, May 30, 11:58:28
        
        Yep, that's what he's saying. (Other Football) - norwaay, May 30, 11:55:29
        
        VMT (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, May 30, 10:41:57

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