We're slightly going round in circles here

But HoG is but one instance of a man whose burning desire to win meant that he was absolutely willing to engage in cheating. That's not someone I can admire (though obviously I acknowledge that he may have been the best footballer ever).

Take Usain Bolt. He's always been very public about being clean. So not only is the he greatest sprinter every (so far), but he's not cheating. I massively admire him. If in ten years time it emerged on a retrospective testing of his samples that he'd been cheating all along, not only would I be gutted but I'd be FURIOUS. Because the character of the man matters much more than his times. (I know this is an imperfect analogy because drugs improve your sprinting times much more significantly than drugs enhance your footballing ability. Though I've often wondered if Maradona got those thighs through early steroid use, before he was being tested. They're a classic roid thigh.).

Posted By: Old Git on November 25th 2020 at 18:52:12

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Maradona has died... (n/m) (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 16:22:22
- The greatest. His impact at Napoli was huge , doubt a (Other Football) - Mozzer, Nov 25, 19:00:02
  - ^never saw Pele (n/m) (Other Football) - Jumbo1, Nov 25, 19:30:45
    - Brazil in the 70's without Pele were still amazing, Argentina (Other Football) - Mozzer, Nov 25, 19:37:17
- Should have been hanged for releasing American Pie (Other Football) - Jumbo1, Nov 25, 18:36:36
  - he had a chat show in Arg for a while too (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:39:25
    - You’ve ruined my joke! (Other Football) - Jumbo1, Nov 25, 18:56:06
      - oops! you should've used a better known song (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 19:02:56
- Good footballer but not a patch on the greatest, (Other Football) - CB41, Nov 25, 18:00:06
- Sad, despite his failings and the HoG business. Top talent in his day. RIP 🇦🇷😥 (n/m) (Other Football) - Worthing Yellow, Nov 25, 17:19:24
  - George Best died aged 59. Similar genius, similar failings.... (Other Football) - Saucerer, Nov 25, 17:45:29
    - how did cruyff self-destruct? (n/m) (Other Football) - jampersands, Nov 25, 17:56:25
      - Smoked like a chimney dint he (n/m) (Other Football) - emmaroyds, Nov 25, 18:01:02
- Oh dear (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 17:17:51
  - This is very sad and tragic too - another great (Other Football) - CB41, Nov 25, 18:07:08
    - Oh, I missed that. Thanks. (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:10:15
    - Yeah saw that yesterday,very very sad.RIP. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 18:08:12
  - Wow. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 17:50:16
  - jesus wept are you *still* bitter about 86? (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 17:23:22
    - Well (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:08:48
      - ^^^^Spot-fucking-on^^^^ (Other Football) - Captain Bligh, Nov 25, 18:25:55
        
        His character as a sportsman. (Other Football) - Captain Bligh, Nov 25, 19:12:14
        
        Tell me more about this *shitty character* of his. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 18:32:13
        
        what shitty character? you and OG know almost nothing of the man (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:31:34
      - Fucking hypocrisy of some of you. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 18:25:50
      - so a couple of intances of cheating outweighs the character of a man known to be (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:22:24
        
        We're all entitled to weigh up evidence and reach different conclusions (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:31:12
        
        wow, he did some drugs. Big deal. Do you similarly hate nearly all musicians and deride (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:34:13
        
        Never thought about that! (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:46:44
        
        I doubt it was an actual request (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 18:34:08
        
        Pass me the smelling salts! (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 18:33:02
        
        man does drugs, man insults a reporter, man deserves to die in disgrace (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:36:46
        
        Good grief (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:42:15
        
        We're slightly going round in circles here (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:52:12
        
        oh dear (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:45:41
      - Do you think that Gary Lineket never cheated? (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 18:21:44
        
        Great to be lectured on posting style by you, buddy (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:31:54
        
        The absolutely 100% unexpected ad hominem! (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 18:34:48
        
        Do flounce off again any time you feel like it (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 18:42:51
        
        How very mature of you. Have a nice evening. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 18:45:13
      - Yes it’s the character (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 18:20:56
        
        One of these days. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 18:22:40
      - Wholeheartedly agree.👏👍 (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 18:17:23
      - Marvellous (n/m) (Other Football) - yellowman, Nov 25, 18:12:51
    - Peter Shilton is still crying about it (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 17:25:04
      - looking on twitter it really seems like it's a group of only the very worst people (n/m) (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 17:26:20
        
        50th anniversary of his first England appearance (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 17:58:41
        
        Yeah. (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Nov 25, 17:41:11
        
        Funny isn’t it? I don’t remember any of those fouls (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 25, 17:49:38
        
        That's what Fenwick was there for. He wasn't there for his passing + movement! (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 18:26:29
- First thing I thought of (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Nov 25, 17:08:19
  - Context (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 17:10:21
    - Don't ruin it. Next you'll be telling there's no such thing as the Tooth Fairy (n/m) (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Nov 25, 17:12:34
- The Lance Armstrong of football (n/m) (Other Football) - yellowman, Nov 25, 17:05:15
  - Gattuso would be another,absolutely no way imo that he hasn't juiced during his caree (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 17:23:33
    - Maldini was my absolute hero prothers.... (Other Football) - yellowman, Nov 25, 17:31:17
      - Yep,great player. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 18:04:36
  - thats a weird thing to say (Other Football) - jampersands, Nov 25, 17:08:11
    - I might be wrong but I thought there were rumours he was on abit (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 17:15:11
  - hardly, he was the best ever with or without - Armstrong would've been a nobody (n/m) (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 17:07:01
    - Correct, of course. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 17:48:08
      - 😂 (n/m) (Other Football) - yellowman, Nov 25, 17:48:55
    - Yep (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 17:09:30
      - Haha (n/m) (Other Football) - yellowman, Nov 25, 17:19:49
      - It's banned by all sporting authorities because it has a performance enhancing effect (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 17:17:10
        
        Thought so,fairly sure I've had ephedrine myself,good stuff! (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 17:19:05
- A sad day for Colombia (Other Football) - Ben, Nov 25, 16:58:15
  - A terrible year for them with all the clubs shut (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 17:01:40
- Maragoner. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 16:53:02
- The greatest ever 👏 (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, Nov 25, 16:46:38
  - Depends on your age. For me it was Pele. The generation before me Puskás (n/m) (Other Football) - The Gaffer, Nov 25, 17:24:02
  - him and the messi were the two best I've ever seen (Other Football) - jampersands, Nov 25, 17:07:30
    - I think Messi is better in some ways, but Maradona was capable of doing it all alone (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 17:14:11
      - I think champions league is the top stage, in terms of quality (Other Football) - jampersands, Nov 25, 17:27:29
        
        But by that logic it's easier to dominate teams playing in better sides,with (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 17:32:14
        
        Agreed to a certain extent, but his performances for Arg have been sadly lacking too often (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 17:31:34
  - Mmmm maybe ... maybe not (n/m) (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 25, 16:54:06
    - Close between him and Wes (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 25, 17:01:13
      - Motherfuckers forgot about the Doc (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Nov 25, 17:05:44
        
        And Dre (n/m) (Other Football) - Basil Wrathbone, Nov 25, 17:10:58
- Brilliant Footballer (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 25, 16:38:19
  - Generally the case for exceptional footballers. (n/m) (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Nov 25, 16:56:39
    - Like Buendia flawed genius (n/m) (Other Football) - KevinBond, Nov 25, 17:08:47
  - That's the great insight you get the big bucks for. (n/m) (Other Football) - norwaay, Nov 25, 16:53:46
    - :))) (n/m) (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 16:57:17
- Oh no! (Other Football) - Garry Brooke, Nov 25, 16:37:09
  - Epic piece of commentary here (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 16:39:50
    - Tbf Jumbles has scored much better goals against far superior (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 17:04:45
- Who could have predicted an early death for him (Other Football) - Charles21, Nov 25, 16:36:18
- Very sad. Incredible footballer (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 25, 16:32:27
  - Exactly 15 years after Best died (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 16:34:55
    - I suppose it's a heavy burden to bare,that kind of talent. (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 25, 16:37:51
- What a player...RIP (n/m) (Other Football) - JoeyDeacon, Nov 25, 16:30:49
- I don't know what i'm more shocked about? The fact that he has died or (Other Football) - Norfolk un Way, Nov 25, 16:29:41
  - it's pretty amazing that he survived back in 2000 (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 16:32:43
- Blimey wasn’t he taken ill after his birthday? (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 25, 16:23:42
  - yeah, he had a blot clot on the brain a couple of weeks ago and just had a heart attack (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 25, 16:26:39

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