It is good news and you are right about the risk balance

It is just that phase 1-3 trials + approval normally take somewhere between 5 and 10 years to complete. At the end you are relatively sure there aren't any side effects that appear in the long-ish term.

We have shortened that by a factor of 10. How many 'normal' vaccine trials fail in years 2-10? My understanding is lots of them.

But then there is the point I was trying to make. It's not just a new vaccine. It is a new technique for making vaccines. mRNA technology has never been used before. Would that normally suggest a longer / more detailed approval process?

I am at the age where I will probably be close to last on the list to get the vaccine. I doubt they will vaccinate anyone under 40. Even being last I will still be getting a vaccine that has been tested for less than 18 months.

I will definitely have the vaccine but if offered a choice - which I think is likely - I may well opt for one using more tried and tested technology.

Posted By: Timmy_Goat on November 16th 2020 at 13:55:39

Message Thread

Even better Vaccine News 💉 (NCFC) - jackamo, Nov 16, 12:02:03
- category violation (n/m) (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 16, 18:12:35
- Be even better when we get confirmation of no I'll effects (NCFC) - maidstoneyellow, Nov 16, 17:37:21
- Is that good enough? (NCFC) - Clairvoyant Creosote, Nov 16, 14:00:23
  - The r rate would be very low - so yes (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Nov 16, 14:05:31
- The Football bingo vaccine will be out soon... (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 16, 13:02:48
  - there are too many vaccines (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 16, 14:09:35
    - Wrong.... (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 16, 18:58:27
    - YCNHTMV (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Nov 16, 14:42:17
  - That's a top top vaccine (n/m) (NCFC) - Clairvoyant Creosote, Nov 16, 14:01:04
  - hopefully there will be a top top vaccine (n/m) (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 16, 13:30:14
  - A vaccine of two halves a couple of weeks apart (n/m) (NCFC) - watfordcanary, Nov 16, 13:27:35
  - Got to focus on one vaccine at a time (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Nov 16, 13:06:06
    - At least we can concentrate on the economy now Brian (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 16, 13:47:43
- This would be the first product Moderna has ever brought to market... (n/m) (NCFC) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 16, 12:14:26
  - I like this quality arse covering: (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 16, 12:20:15
    - amazing how quick these miracle vaccines are being rolled out (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 16, 12:35:45
      - Son, when you throw buckets of money at things... (NCFC) - usacanary, Nov 16, 19:00:20
      - Vaccine fabrication seems to be very much in Vogue these days (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 16, 12:48:34
        
        the ultimate confidence trick (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 16, 12:56:49
        
        Feel free to Express Yourself but that sounds a little bit Crazy For You to be saying that (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 16, 15:59:10
        
        think you've been whooshed pal (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 16, 16:10:22
        
        ^whooshed (n/m) (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 16, 16:29:32
        
        Possibly, it's Borderline? I never really understand his Material (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 16, 16:15:58
    - That's brilliant (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 16, 12:22:07
      - Fair play to them I guess (NCFC) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 16, 12:32:57
        
        S'all balances isn't it? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 16, 13:10:44
        
        It is good news and you are right about the risk balance (NCFC) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 16, 13:55:39
        
        re the under 40s... (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 16, 14:03:28
        
        which means you're not bothered about the risk of passing it onto someone more vulnerable? (NCFC) - jampersands, Nov 16, 14:21:45
        
        i thought we'd established that you may still spread the virus even if you have had a vacc (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 16, 16:26:08
        
        we haven't established that at all (NCFC) - jampersands, Nov 16, 16:42:36
        
        sorry (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 16, 18:28:17
        
        As she says its the vaccine hesitant, like CWC, paulg, who'll be the problem for all of us (NCFC) - jampersands, Nov 16, 14:43:54
        
        I'm not "vaccine hesitant" (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 16, 15:56:59
        
        Is that the same as bi-curious? (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 16, 16:53:11
        
        just hesitant to take this vaccine? (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Nov 16, 16:23:08
        
        or maybe not hesitant, but resolved? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 16, 16:57:47
        
        Yes, I read that too (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 16, 15:07:17
        
        It's risk balancing I agree - I'd not allow my children to be given it for the time being (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 16, 14:07:03
        
        Were I eg 75, I'd certainly take it (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 16, 13:13:22
        
        I'm in between too (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 16, 13:16:54
        
        what could possibly go wrong? (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 16, 12:50:24
        
        I guess that's what the trials are for... (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 16, 13:14:14
        
        Of course, yes (NCFC) - paulg, Nov 16, 14:03:55
        
        There's quite a few articles (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 16, 15:15:48
        
        when #3 is the problem, is there a problem?! (n/m) (NCFC) - CWC, Nov 16, 16:11:25
        
        Heh, quite (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 16, 16:52:25
        
        Indeed (n/m) (NCFC) - Timmy_Goat, Nov 16, 12:56:24
  - Never a fan of her music either (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 16, 12:16:16
- UK does not have access to this vaccine. (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 16, 12:11:35
  - When are we likely to hear success of Oxford version ? (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Nov 16, 12:40:53
    - half eight (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 16, 12:49:33
- I wonder if Russia's will now prove to be even more effective.. 😀 (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 16, 12:03:36
  - 94.1% (n/m) (NCFC) - jackamo, Nov 16, 12:04:15
    - And rising.. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 16, 12:05:59
      - How high's the water mamma? (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Nov 16, 12:53:21
        
        🙂👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 16, 12:55:42

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