other countries give people support to isolate

there's fairly strong survey evidence here that the single biggest reason people don't isolate when they should is that they can't afford to.

not subsidising isolators is incredibly short-sighted, when we then have to spend far more as a result of having to shut down the economy. is a good example of why the idea of a trade off between health and the economy is rubbish.

Posted By: jampersands on October 22nd 2020 at 13:13:16

Message Thread

People are starting to have enough now (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 12:28:31
- Blame the shambles of a Govt you voted in (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Oct 22, 16:25:04
  - I don't care which (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 17:06:23
    - He strghles to understand that every country in world has suffered (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:12:42
      - It wasn't specifically aimed (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 17:25:45
        
        Cheap point scoring - I think it’s always been the case for the so called left (n/m) (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:36:41
        
        Every side does it (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 17:47:19
      - New Zealand? (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Oct 22, 17:20:19
        
        New Zealand (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 17:30:56
        
        Let’s not forget we didn’t attempt to suppress it until late March (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 18:03:12
        
        Yes, and remember (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 18:40:51
        
        But the orange baboon needed to ban Europe not China (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 19:09:56
        
        Going off piste a bit (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 19:42:38
        
        Indeed (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 20:26:44
        
        Is ruled by Mary Poppins (NCFC) - KevinBond, Oct 22, 17:35:28
- This is now day 207 for me without a penny of support. (NCFC) - Canary Birdie, Oct 22, 16:18:08
  - I got 570 on furglough a month for 4 months nothing else (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:14:03
- ONS figures today show half of all businesses have turnover lower than operating costs (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Oct 22, 12:52:42
  - Ah, but that's "the economy" so it doesn't count (n/m) (NCFC) - paulg, Oct 22, 13:07:24
  - My missus has her own salon (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 12:58:39
- Taking the piss out of legislation (NCFC) - KevinBond, Oct 22, 12:48:36
- perhaps if people had (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 22, 12:36:44
  - Whilst that's true (NCFC) - Captain Bligh, Oct 22, 14:22:15
    - yes you're right (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 22, 16:36:08
  - Completely agree (NCFC) - Timmy_Goat, Oct 22, 13:09:47
    - other countries give people support to isolate (NCFC) - jampersands, Oct 22, 13:13:16
      - But there is support payments for self isolation or am I mistaken? (n/m) (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Oct 22, 15:58:40
      - My friend lives in Spain (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:19:47
        
        So ditch the restrictions and masks? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:28:26
        
        Where’s the so called science that proofs they work (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:33:57
        
        masks *do* work, they're just not foolproof and there are other means of transmission (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 16:28:58
        
        Angry little man aren’t you (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:15:57
        
        stating the facts - no one likes fact-averse fools like you. (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 17:20:18
        
        No facts state they work (n/m) (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:37:55
        
        whatever (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 17:43:12
        
        Well don’t say they do when you can’t back it up (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:48:06
        
        I can, but I'm done with you. You're a cultist, too far gone (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 17:52:51
        
        Brainwashed never to recover (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 18:04:34
        
        Down the rabbit hole (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Oct 22, 19:27:12
        
        Show me then.... get your peers to send them across (n/m) (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 18:07:06
        
        Show you what? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 18:12:34
        
        Until the governments scientists saw the evidence (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 16:11:24
        
        Again, transmissions probably in the home etc (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 14:22:22
        
        Where are they getting it from? (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:28:14
        
        I'm sure they didn't all wear masks all the time (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 14:49:37
        
        That’s all you have? (n/m) (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:56:29
        
        This is boring now (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 15:07:09
        
        Its quite simple, it can be passed from hands to face...all of us touch the mask and our (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 22, 15:06:45
        
        Agreed, I saw an interesting study on transmission in meatpacking plants (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 16:52:26
        
        That's very interesting! I new about the temp. control and lack of distancing (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Oct 22, 19:40:08
        
        I thought it was from eating bats (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:17:19
        
        Peer reviewed scientific studies in respected journals, not Facebook or crackpot youtubers (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 17:22:53
        
        Lol that actually made me laugh (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:46:58
        
        I don't use facebook or watch youtube (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 17:54:51
        
        Haha like I said I see your tweets (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 18:12:00
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 17:36:37
      - From what I read about it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:02:41
      - Track, trace and isolate becomes increasingly more difficult (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 13:47:01
        
        track n trace thats a joke (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Oct 22, 14:00:08
        
        Track and trace don’t matter another waste of money (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 15:04:58
  - Masks don’t work tho do they (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 12:56:49
    - They work for droplet transmission, minimally for aerosol (NCFC) - Timmy_Goat, Oct 22, 13:15:24
      - The evidence indicates that most people only infect an average of 1 other (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 22, 16:37:03
    - Blimey you thought masks worn occasionally would stop cases rising? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 13:08:25
      - No. We were told to wear masks to prevent infection (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 13:25:41
        
        Except (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:06:05
        
        £12 billion well spent then (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Oct 22, 19:37:06
        
        there are lots of different initiatives and actions that reduce infections (NCFC) - jampersands, Oct 22, 13:37:31
        
        The right lol (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:04:02
        
        Didn’t cause a spike did it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:08:24
        
        Large groups side by side close contact (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:17:17
        
        Could defo do it socially distanced and with masks (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:29:43
        
        But the protests here and in America (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:34:37
        
        Why? New York has been smashed and continues to be the highest rates (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 14:52:54
        
        New York first hit (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 15:01:08
        
        And if you believe that you are mad (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 15:22:21
        
        India? (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 16:24:01
        
        South Dakota just behind North Dakota (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 16:18:35
        
        Even Chris Christie regrets not wearing a mask (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 16:26:54
        
        Big don doesn’t (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 17:20:09
        
        More about New York (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 15:51:29
        
        we were told to wear masks to encourage people to feel safe (NCFC) - CWC, Oct 22, 13:28:18
        
        By the government yes, not the science (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 22, 14:10:57
        
        Exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - Pukki Pies, Oct 22, 13:59:49
    - masks do work. but there's no single magic bullet (NCFC) - jampersands, Oct 22, 13:04:48
    - Most transmission has been in homes, student accommodation or hospitality (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 13:00:54
      - Glad taxpayers don't subside their education. Especially those slapped with the 10k fine (n/m) (NCFC) - KetteringRyu, Oct 22, 16:01:41
      - And orgies (NCFC) - Old Git, Oct 22, 14:00:53
        
        ... (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Oct 22, 14:22:39
        
        No confirmed cases in gimps, I understand (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Oct 22, 14:20:38

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