Boffins already have vaccines that 'work'

The question is really what are the side effects. Now we basically get a risk balance - unabated covid + associated lockdown deaths vs deaths from the vaccine. Once one (not insane - I'm looking at you Putin) country pulls the trigger and licences a vaccine there will be enormous pressure on other countries to proceed to vaccinate even if there are real concerns about the safety of the vaccine.

UK covid deaths 40K + 35K from delayed cancer treatment + 100k? from the recession (recessions cause poverty and poverty certainly causes death) at this point. How many from second wave vs proportion of 60 million suffering 'suboptimal' vaccine outcomes.

Most of the more serious / worst case scenario suboptimal vaccine outcomes would (hopefully not tempting fate here) be things like autoimmune diseases such as Guillain-Barré or Greg House's favourite, lupus.

The old normal is coming back. Potentially sooner than you think. Because the new normal doesn't make rich people as much money as the old normal does.

Apologies for my cynicism tonight

Posted By: Timmy_Goat on September 20th 2020 at 21:10:43

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What if this "new normal" is permanent? (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 19:53:48
- I'm done with it all. (Coronavirus) - Captain Bligh, Sep 20, 22:18:14
- It will disappear soon... maybe around November (Coronavirus) - Pukki Pies, Sep 20, 21:16:04
  - The world's finest medical minds posting here I see (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Danny_mills, Sep 20, 23:58:21
  - Steady on people, we've got a frisky one here! (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Yellalee, Sep 20, 22:21:25
  - I think when people's (eldely) relatives die, they'd know about it, Even with a TV (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 20, 21:54:08
    - People’s elderly relatives (not being funny) always die (Coronavirus) - Pukki Pies, Sep 20, 22:21:10
  - LOL (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 21:22:40
    - Funny (Coronavirus) - Pukki Pies, Sep 20, 21:40:14
- Boffins already have vaccines that 'work' (Coronavirus) - Timmy_Goat, Sep 20, 21:10:43
  - Guillain-Barré (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 20, 22:36:56
  - good post (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 21:36:35
  - Seems reasonable (Coronavirus) - Clairvoyant Creosote, Sep 20, 21:19:16
- Nothing is permanent (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 20, 20:27:10
  - but they haven't cracked a coronavirus vaccine yet as far as I understand (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 20:33:53
    - There are a handful of decent candidates (Coronavirus) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 20, 22:32:16
    - Loads of vaccine candidates (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 21:24:49
      - I know that (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 21:29:17
  - Death and taxes (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Jumbo1, Sep 20, 20:30:56
    - and cliff richards (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 20:34:38
- We will end up with people playing... (Coronavirus) - yellowman, Sep 20, 20:15:44
  - *i wonder if this happened now ffs (n/m) (Coronavirus) - yellowman, Sep 20, 20:18:17
- In terms of football: insignifant (Coronavirus) - ingi, Sep 20, 20:11:59
  - *insignificant (n/m) (Coronavirus) - ingi, Sep 20, 20:12:35
- Can’t they just install an iPad in each stadium seat and live stream season ticket holders (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 20, 19:58:54
  - I don't know (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 20:01:21
    - Worth investigating/piloting then. In these unprecedented times we all need to adapt (n/m) (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 20, 20:11:06
      - What a moronic, stupid idea (Coronavirus) - Danny_mills, Sep 21, 00:00:08
        
        Maybe ask the season tickets what they prefer, so they don’t have to change operating syst (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 21, 00:31:35
      - good idea essexcanaryOTBC it honestly sounds like the perfect solution well done (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 20:18:09
        
        Are you being sarcastic? (n/m) (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 21, 00:32:12
        
        Exactly. Always a way where there's a will ;p (n/m) (Coronavirus) - essexcanaryOTBC, Sep 20, 21:55:28
        
        Post of the decade - brilliant 🤣 (n/m) (Coronavirus) - JoeyDeacon, Sep 20, 21:27:50
        
        bravo! (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Pixelman, Sep 20, 21:04:00
        
        lolf (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Yellalee, Sep 20, 20:56:01
- I think full stadiums at some point next season (n/m) (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 19:55:46
  - How, vaccine? (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 19:59:02
    - People are saying the virus has killed the vulnerable already (Coronavirus) - ingi, Sep 20, 20:15:18
      - With only 5% infected a few months ago (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 20:25:14
        
        Yep. That's why it was in quotes (Coronavirus) - ingi, Sep 20, 21:01:16
        
        Yeah I think people have had enough now (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 21:25:49
        
        Yep, just below the nose now (n/m) (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 21:38:10
        
        It hasn't got me yet (Coronavirus) - emmaroyds, Sep 20, 20:31:33
        
        and people move into the vulnerable bracket (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 20:29:15
    - I reckon so (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 20:01:37
      - People generally not faffed by flu though, covids a different jive bunny (Coronavirus) - Tombs, Sep 20, 20:06:34
        
        Vaccine for the flu though (Coronavirus) - SCC 28, Sep 20, 20:28:00

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