if it's technically correct how are they making up the rules?

The problem with VAR is that is demonstrates how often players push the rules of the game to get an advantage. Previously they've gotten away with the marginal calls but now they are not.

In time they will stop trying to push the rules so much and VAR use will reduce.

VAR as a principle is fine. Players need to get used to it, to cheat less, and to stop being divs. We encroached on the retake too, I think?!?

The league does, though, need to be better at communicating what VAR is doing and how these decisions are being made. The black box approach is pretty unsatisfactory.

Posted By: CWC on December 2nd 2019 at 09:45:38

Message Thread

Does the encroachment law actually say anything about only applying if the player clears (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 07:16:08
- Rule is going, isn't it? (NCFC) - Jester, Dec 2, 18:44:48
- As I said late yesterday, Hernandez did exactly the same on the 2nd penalty (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 2, 09:55:05
  - The players can’t be getting told (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:58:23
    - well Hernandez needs seriously to be told (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 2, 10:23:34
    - Tbh, they really shouldn't need telling (n/m) (NCFC) - Azteca, Dec 2, 10:05:05
      - Well it’s a new rule for them (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 10:09:28
        
        They should probably be told to stop giving penalties away too (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 2, 10:10:44
  - I don't know why players don't take a run up (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 2, 09:57:46
    - I think a couple of ours tried that on the second one (n/m) (NCFC) - megson, Dec 2, 10:04:32
- the prem rules seem more lenient (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 08:10:32
  - This happened when Madders scored for Leicester (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 2, 09:31:30
    - Yeah seems very harsh - this covers all of that (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:41:29
  - What I don’t like or understand is why our referees seem to have been given (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 08:34:16
    - if it's technically correct how are they making up the rules? (NCFC) - CWC, Dec 2, 09:45:38
      - They’ve applied it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:50:38
    - it wasn't minor (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 2, 08:37:51
      - They were nowhere near it. We had about three players there. As I said (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 08:41:17
        
        Good point from ESPN journo after the game (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 08:58:59
        
        Encroaching is not worth it but not sure I agree they can’t impact. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 09:10:03
        
        If they impact then it’s a retake (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:12:19
        
        Not if they haven’t encroached. They can still legally run in and beat the attacking (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 09:13:33
        
        No he says don’t encroach! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:17:07
        
        I know that but it’s a stupid statement of the obvious from him really isn’t it (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 09:24:32
        
        No need to take such a risk though (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:33:12
        
        I blame Krul for not catching it (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 2, 09:35:09
        
        if the situation was reversed people would absolutely want to see it (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 2, 08:48:01
        
        Point is really that without VAR it wouldn’t have been notice or given and (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 09:12:03
        
        It has improved the laws being applied (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:15:05
        
        Well they may need to look at them. One of the perhaps unforeseen impacts of (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 09:21:35
        
        Hopefully defenders just wait now (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:46:54
        
        I don’t think Max’s encroachment was as bad as you’re making out (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 2, 08:59:30
        
        kruls developing antics will be outlawed next season (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 09:07:25
        
        He was clearly encroaching tbf (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:03:14
        
        It's a simple rule that we broke (NCFC) - CauldRon, Dec 2, 09:07:46
        
        I think that’s right (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 2, 09:21:00
        
        I’m looking forward to the furore (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:24:53
        
        It will be, you know it. VAR already gifted points to a couple of our rivals this season (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 09:29:10
        
        after zimbo’s fuck up as well (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:19:11
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 08:53:44
        
        yep agree with that. (n/m) (NCFC) - Men without hats, Dec 2, 09:05:18
        
        thus it naturally loads the game in favour of better (richer) teams (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:59:25
        
        Or it favours the weaker teams (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 09:10:17
        
        opinions eh, we should still start cheating just in case (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 09:14:50
        
        good luck there ralph (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:50:56
        
        Entut though (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 2, 09:17:29
        
        They are trying to repeat that famous sending off in front of the snakepit. Who was that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 2, 08:59:10
        
        Matthew Errington for West Ham in 2004 (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 2, 09:09:23
        
        Yep (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Dec 2, 09:26:36
        
        I remember that. Was very funny (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Dec 2, 09:14:04
        
        I think we do, and yes it’s because of that (n/m) (NCFC) - Knitted Jesus, Dec 2, 10:18:17
        
        ^^^ were *not* anticipating (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 2, 08:49:15
    - the just push an oppo player in the box tactic will evolve (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:37:12
      - Where in the rules does it state what “inside”‘the area is? (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 08:42:25
        
        Arsenal took their free kick 30 cm forward of where the foul was (NCFC) - Charles21, Dec 2, 10:51:28
        
        The FA Handbook 2019 Association Football ver 1 section 14 para 3a sub para (ii) clearly (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:46:10
  - who made the actual call do you think? the ref or the var ref? (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:25:23
    - Var ref reviews all major incidents (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 2, 08:52:06
    - That linesman was a t**t. Missed several things and yet gave a very marginal (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 08:35:56
      - farke was telling in his post match comments on the 4th offficial (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:39:35
        
        Yes. The problem is that these things change the flow/course of the game (NCFC) - Jim, Dec 2, 08:44:19
        
        very lucky indeed (NCFC) - Tombs, Dec 2, 08:47:42
    - I'm not sure but the ref was super fussy about warning all the players about encroachment (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Dec 2, 08:30:55
- No but......... (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 2, 07:34:57
  - Does that mean we were adjudged to have entered the box first? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 2, 08:34:26
    - Dunno but arsenal player entered first on far side. Not sure about near side. Aarons could (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Dec 2, 09:43:44

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