I know this will get some groans from the far lefties and far righties on the board...

But I saw an interesting interview with Tony Blair the other day where he talked about ideology without power being meaningless.
Winning the center left and center right is key to getting elected with a decent majority.
Once in power you then have a chance to make effects that are long lasting.
He noted the legalizing of same sex marriage and the minimum wage as two examples of ideas thats were in the past on the opposite sides of the political divide but are now accepted across the political spectrum.

The bottom line is the current goverment is a complete s**t show yet Corbyn is even more unpopular.....and the radicals are trying to oust more moderate people like Tom Watson.

A more moderate/centerist Labour party would be crushing in the polls.

The UK needs a new hero that people can get behind.....just not seeing anyone out there.

Posted By: usacanary on September 26th 2019 at 08:15:11

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I know this will get some groans from the far lefties and far righties on the board... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 26, 08:15:11
- There’s no credible alternative to Johnson.... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 26, 11:12:04
  - Corbyn's policies really aren't that radical. (General Chat) - Cannydc, Sep 26, 11:19:31
    - I wouldn’t be in favour of giving 10% of companies to employees (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 26, 11:44:03
      - Dyson's decision is nothing to do with Corbyn (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 26, 12:44:25
        
        Yes it is (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 26, 12:45:53
        
        Not wishing to do a SexyB on you, but it deffo is (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 26, 12:46:17
        
        Well this piece in the FT says it was purely a commercial decision (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Sep 26, 13:03:14
        
        OK.... (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 26, 13:04:17
      - I think certain infrastructure and services should be nationalised (General Chat) - maidstoneyellow, Sep 26, 12:35:38
      - Dyson is a lying shitbag (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 26, 12:25:38
        
        Ironic as his hoovers are bagless (General Chat) - maidstoneyellow, Sep 26, 12:37:13
        
        does anybody call a dyson a hoover (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 26, 14:53:12
    - the state of the UK in 1979 isn't a great advert for the status quo at that time!! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 26, 11:31:05
      - Nothing is perfect (General Chat) - Cannydc, Sep 26, 11:42:49
        
        the country was on its knees (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 26, 12:48:37
        
        The mining industry was doomed regardless of government, wasn’t it? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Sep 26, 11:44:59
        
        Yes, it certainly was. (General Chat) - Cannydc, Sep 26, 11:47:17
  - Fuck (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Sep 26, 11:13:25
- The problem is that the current model for capitalism isn't working for lots of people (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Sep 26, 10:30:12
- Its a bit of a mess isn't it usac? (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Sep 26, 10:16:36
- Blair, Brown, Major and Hezza. (General Chat) - avenging canary, Sep 26, 09:52:18
- Yes - fair point. Only electable Labour Leader was Blair. Now reviled.... (General Chat) - Saucerer, Sep 26, 09:50:44
  - Latest poll I saw on that Britain Elects Twitter account (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 26, 10:43:29
- I think that's spot on. We need a government that tends to (General Chat) - Chopper, Sep 26, 09:26:15
- Move parliament ....... (General Chat) - yellowman, Sep 26, 09:06:21
  - Move Parliament (General Chat) - Moritz Moutarde, Sep 26, 09:45:56
    - I'd move it to the middle of the North Sea (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 26, 09:54:55
  - There have been quite a lot of suggestions about moving it to Manchester or Birmingham (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Sep 26, 09:44:38
- Sadly most politicians these days have no experience of the real world (General Chat) - biffbro, Sep 26, 08:53:43
  - As much as many would like this to be true (General Chat) - Cannydc, Sep 26, 09:36:35
    - Sorry but disagree with your statistics (General Chat) - biffbro, Sep 26, 12:14:00
      - it's a v big problem (General Chat) - paulg, Sep 26, 12:51:14
  - Enoch Powell? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 26, 09:01:11
    - Man of principal, didn’t say I agreed with him. (n/m) (General Chat) - biffbro, Sep 26, 09:16:50
      - Principle. (General Chat) - APB, Sep 26, 13:04:36
        
        or his principal's principles (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 26, 13:17:38
      - "men of honour, great politicians" (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Sep 26, 09:33:55
        
        Not necessarily great people, consider the recent vilification of Churchill and Washington (General Chat) - biffbro, Sep 26, 09:41:22
        
        so Churchill and Washington were not great people (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 26, 09:42:19
    - Quite (n/m) (General Chat) - jAC, Sep 26, 09:14:28
- Bring back Cameron or Tony Blair (n/m) (General Chat) - Thegelman, Sep 26, 08:30:39
- It's impossible to get rid of Corbyn because the Labour (General Chat) - duke of york, Sep 26, 08:23:28
  - Similar problem with johnson (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 26, 08:45:32

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