wasn't really in our gift

EU wouldn't countenance discussing anything unless we triggered art 50. By triggering Art 50 we were immediately on the back foot given the timetable and so beholden to how the EU wanted to run things. So The order went:

1) Agree settlement, Proceed to next stage.
2) Agree WA. Proceed to next stage.
3) Agree trade deal.

Lots of ways we could and should have run things but we kinda f**ked ourselves when MPs decided the referendum result was binding and not advisory. All initiative passed to the EU (although they'd have always held the upper hand given the way Art 50 was drafted - by us ironically enough)

Posted By: CWC on August 29th 2019 at 19:12:50

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If you went into a negotiation but weren't allowed to play your (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 29, 15:24:20
- Brexit is just a sideshow. A big distraction (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:22:48
  - David icke me up (n/m) (General Chat) - maidstoneyellow, Aug 29, 17:02:27
  - Well that and deregulation (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 29, 16:50:08
    - Is that us finishing 18th but avoiding getting regulated on a technicality (n/m) (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 17:04:42
      - I think that's relegated not regulated (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:03:16
  - Distract each other from what? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 29, 16:45:06
    - That the revolution is not being televised! (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 16:51:09
      - State approved broadcasts only (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:55:55
        
        Of which you pay a TV license for. Genius (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:57:14
    - Austerity and exploitation, I'd say. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 29, 16:48:40
      - And deregulate further. Austerity 2.0. And plenty of numbties willing to be all (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 29, 16:51:04
      - It's only taken Farage 20 years to do it. That is some long term plan (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:50:54
        
        You're getting the hang of it . Keep going (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:54:13
        
        Farage also installed JC as opposition leader to make sure (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:56:54
        
        Your not suggesting he is a mouthpiece of Soros no? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:21:44
        
        If you say so (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:29:43
        
        Ok, I'll send him the tweet and ask him (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:00:36
        
        We all know Fartrage is a hired mouthpiece. Not a big player. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:02:23
        
        Your not suggesting he is a mouthpiece of Soros no? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:30:10
    - Bake Off (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 29, 16:46:01
      - Fucking hypocrites. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 29, 16:48:18
  - I think the whole hate each other was inevitable anyway (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:31:57
  - It's OK, it's just confected anger! (n/m) (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 16:28:25
- No (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 15:58:17
  - Our strongest card right now would be that £39B (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 15:59:46
    - meeting your promises is not a 'card' you can choose to play (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 17:04:31
      - That’s an interesting thought. USA Canada and Aus NZ (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary, Aug 29, 18:11:46
        
        Can, Aus & NZ weren't members since 1973 though were they (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:29:56
      - Did you mean promise or obligation? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:01:27
      - It's not promised (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 29, 17:33:42
        
        it's nothing to do with the WA (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:32:38
        
        About 10m actually due (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 29, 18:34:52
        
        take it up wioth the OBR then. (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:54:50
        
        In reality though, the 39B should of been used based on agreeing trade terms alongside WA (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 19:01:06
        
        wasn't really in our gift (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 19:12:50
        
        It's based on paying up to the end of the transition period isn't it? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:56:40
        
        No (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 19:07:01
        
        I see your point (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 19:42:43
        
        You've read a load of piffle I'm afraid (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 21:25:52
    - but at some stage, and soon, we will have to reach an agreement with the EU on a whole (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:16:52
      - Yes, question is who will blink first (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:29:15
        
        What was it you were saying about (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:52:33
        
        What communism? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:00:34
        
        Never mentioned it (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:07:46
        
        So what are you implying? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:32:15
        
        You were the one who mentioned the financial crash as a trigger (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:35:47
        
        Signs of what, right wing uprising or left wing uprising (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:02:19
- Again, if you wish to bring this debate up at least have the deceny (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 15:49:17
  - So what regular poster are you? (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Aug 29, 15:56:25
    - Everyone's always interested about old posters with new usernames (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 29, 16:27:23
    - who cares, as long as he/she has something interesting to say? (n/m) (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:00:17
      - I do (n/m) (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Aug 29, 16:01:37
        
        why? (n/m) (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:03:02
        
        Because I'm interested (n/m) (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Aug 29, 16:04:31
        
        Makes a change (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:09:41
        
        Wouldn't expect anything less (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:02:36
        
        Are you gonna answer the question? (n/m) (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Aug 29, 16:05:51
        
        Am i being detained? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:08:56
    - I'm protheroe fitzgibbon's alter ego (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 15:58:24
      - Middle class virtue signaller...got it. (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:00:13
        
        That's more of an insult to him then me.. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:08:35
        
        It wasn’t an insult....but you’ve passed comment .... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:13:26
        
        That word.... "Entitled" (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:22:01
        
        Is that a yes or no?... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:26:23
        
        Who said i ever left? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:37:59
        
        I thought the analysis was fair and accurate.... or whoosh? (n/m) (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:02:14
        
        Proth isn’t middle class ....and says what he thinks.... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:23:31
        
        No one takes issue with what he thinks. (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:43:41
        
        where was the virtue signalling? And the only reason you know that Proth is working class (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:40:02

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