Again, if you wish to bring this debate up at least have the deceny
to respect others that hold different positions to you without insulting their intelligence.
In answer to your above hypothetical. Ultimately parliament were presented a deal after the courts ruled that parliament must have the final say.
It was rejected 3 times, the main issue being the backstop. But also a clause that prevented the UK from adjusting tariffs during the transition period.
The only option was to go back to negotiate with the EU which a motion passed that the backstop must be removed (as far as i can remember).
Johnson has gone back to the EU to explain that the WA will have support from parliament as long as the backstop is removed. However the EU were unwilling to re-open the agreement and did not feel they needed to since parliament will not accept a no deal. Therefore there is no mandate to give a better deal to us as there is no threat to them.
Johnson has now put a play in motion which is entirely constitutional (regardless of what hammond, bercrow or any other MP says). In order to ensure that we leave on the 31st october, deal or no deal.
However MP's will still have time to attempt to force the prime minister to extend A50. This can only be done for good reason "says the EU". I.e a G.E or a referendum neither of which will be accepted in parliament ultimately meaning that A50 will not be extended.
The other play the opposition can make is a vote of no confidence however this is a one shot opportunity and if the votes are not there and it fails then it is back to default.
Ultimately the ball is back in the EU's court unless parliament decides that there is support for the WA with backstop.
By proroguing and reopening parliament sessions this allows previous votes to be asked again even if the format has not changed.
Therefore come the reopening of parliament the options on the table will be.
- A revised deal from the EU without backstop
- The same deal
- Revoke A50
- Leave no deal (the default)
Due to the numbers, revised deal without backstop will pass. The same deal may or may not pass ( depends on desperation of labour voters). Revoke A50 will fail. Leave no deal default.
It's a pretty decent negotiating position for Johnson
Posted By: KetteringRyu on August 29th 2019 at 15:49:17
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- If you went into a negotiation but weren't allowed to play your (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 29, 15:24:20
- Brexit is just a sideshow. A big distraction (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:22:48
- David icke me up (n/m) (General Chat) - maidstoneyellow, Aug 29, 17:02:27
- Well that and deregulation (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 29, 16:50:08
- Is that us finishing 18th but avoiding getting regulated on a technicality (n/m) (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 17:04:42
- I think that's relegated not regulated (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:03:16
- Is that us finishing 18th but avoiding getting regulated on a technicality (n/m) (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 17:04:42
- Distract each other from what? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 29, 16:45:06
- That the revolution is not being televised! (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 16:51:09
- State approved broadcasts only (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:55:55
- Of which you pay a TV license for. Genius (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:57:14
- State approved broadcasts only (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:55:55
- Austerity and exploitation, I'd say. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 29, 16:48:40
- And deregulate further. Austerity 2.0. And plenty of numbties willing to be all (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 29, 16:51:04
- It's only taken Farage 20 years to do it. That is some long term plan (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:50:54
- You're getting the hang of it . Keep going (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:54:13
- Farage also installed JC as opposition leader to make sure (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:56:54
- Your not suggesting he is a mouthpiece of Soros no? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:21:44
- If you say so (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:29:43
- Ok, I'll send him the tweet and ask him (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:00:36
- If you say so (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:29:43
- We all know Fartrage is a hired mouthpiece. Not a big player. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:02:23
- Your not suggesting he is a mouthpiece of Soros no? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:30:10
- Your not suggesting he is a mouthpiece of Soros no? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:21:44
- Farage also installed JC as opposition leader to make sure (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:56:54
- You're getting the hang of it . Keep going (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:54:13
- Bake Off (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 29, 16:46:01
- Fucking hypocrites. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 29, 16:48:18
- That the revolution is not being televised! (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 16:51:09
- I think the whole hate each other was inevitable anyway (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:31:57
- It's OK, it's just confected anger! (n/m) (General Chat) - Maillot Jaune, Aug 29, 16:28:25
- No (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 15:58:17
- Our strongest card right now would be that £39B (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 15:59:46
- meeting your promises is not a 'card' you can choose to play (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 17:04:31
- That’s an interesting thought. USA Canada and Aus NZ (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary, Aug 29, 18:11:46
- Can, Aus & NZ weren't members since 1973 though were they (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:29:56
- Did you mean promise or obligation? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:01:27
- It's not promised (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 29, 17:33:42
- it's nothing to do with the WA (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:32:38
- About 10m actually due (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 29, 18:34:52
- take it up wioth the OBR then. (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:54:50
- In reality though, the 39B should of been used based on agreeing trade terms alongside WA (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 19:01:06
- wasn't really in our gift (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 19:12:50
- It's based on paying up to the end of the transition period isn't it? (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 18:56:40
- No (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 19:07:01
- I see your point (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 19:42:43
- You've read a load of piffle I'm afraid (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 21:25:52
- I see your point (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 19:42:43
- No (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 19:07:01
- In reality though, the 39B should of been used based on agreeing trade terms alongside WA (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 19:01:06
- take it up wioth the OBR then. (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:54:50
- About 10m actually due (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 29, 18:34:52
- it's nothing to do with the WA (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 18:32:38
- That’s an interesting thought. USA Canada and Aus NZ (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary, Aug 29, 18:11:46
- but at some stage, and soon, we will have to reach an agreement with the EU on a whole (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:16:52
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- What communism? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:00:34
- Never mentioned it (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:07:46
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- You were the one who mentioned the financial crash as a trigger (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:35:47
- So what are you implying? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:32:15
- Never mentioned it (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 17:07:46
- What communism? (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 17:00:34
- What was it you were saying about (General Chat) - Dunney, Aug 29, 16:52:33
- Yes, question is who will blink first (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:29:15
- meeting your promises is not a 'card' you can choose to play (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 29, 17:04:31
- Our strongest card right now would be that £39B (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 15:59:46
- Again, if you wish to bring this debate up at least have the deceny (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 15:49:17
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- That's more of an insult to him then me.. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:08:35
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- Is that a yes or no?... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:26:23
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- Is that a yes or no?... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:26:23
- That word.... "Entitled" (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:22:01
- It wasn’t an insult....but you’ve passed comment .... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:13:26
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- Proth isn’t middle class ....and says what he thinks.... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:23:31
- No one takes issue with what he thinks. (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:43:41
- where was the virtue signalling? And the only reason you know that Proth is working class (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Aug 29, 16:40:02
- Proth isn’t middle class ....and says what he thinks.... (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:23:31
- That's more of an insult to him then me.. (n/m) (General Chat) - KetteringRyu, Aug 29, 16:08:35
- Middle class virtue signaller...got it. (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Aug 29, 16:00:13
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