Whatever happened after that disastrous referendum it was always going to be a national

humiliation. There wouldn't be a negotiation, because we would have virtually zero bargaining power. We would be leaving a treaty against the wishes of the other parties. The departure procedure was not fully defined, so that those other parties could control all the levers. It was always going to work out like Cameron going to the EU and asking for concessions. They, unsurprisingly, refused, and that led to the referendum. What we have here is the hideous offspring of that.

Posted By: Higher Wrather on November 14th 2018 at 20:56:16

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#brexit related, so ignore if you want to, but some clarifications: (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 19:49:17
- Biggest scam ever. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Nov 14, 20:10:54
  - Gin? I agree it’s just flavoured petrol (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Nov 14, 20:34:32
    - Better than flavoured diesel though, due to the cleaner emissions. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 20:35:32
      - Parp (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Nov 14, 20:36:07
- Labours attitude to this is a disgrace (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 14, 20:09:15
  - lolf (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 14, 20:37:09
  - they've all been a disgrace (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 20:30:27
    - Whatever happened after that disastrous referendum it was always going to be a national (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Nov 14, 20:56:16
    - So much this (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 20:35:07
      - There wasn’t talk of a 2nd referendum (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 14, 20:41:07
      - I agree with that. (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 14, 20:38:31
        
        But that describes Labours position! (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Nov 14, 22:10:17
        
        Nope, it really doesn’t (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 15, 07:28:39
    - But there’s no acceptable deal for leavers (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 14, 20:34:41
      - we'll never really know (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 20:44:42
  - Yeah, all Labour's fault isn't it? (General Chat) - Azteca, Nov 14, 20:29:26
    - It’s not their fault but their attitude is unhelpful. Their tests (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 14, 20:37:55
      - The tory red lines and promises were fucking impossible to meet (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 14, 20:43:11
  - are you saying some members of the parliamentary labour party (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 14, 20:20:42
    - Have a read if you like facts (General Chat) - pants, Nov 14, 20:38:26
      - interesting but not what i asked (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 14, 21:07:06
        
        The issue was always about a definition (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 14, 21:19:53
  - The BBC couldn't wait to spend 6 months accusing them of anti semitism (General Chat) - pants, Nov 14, 20:16:46
    - I'll apologise if I sound at arsehole, but Brexit isn't fundamental (General Chat) - pants, Nov 14, 20:29:58
      - then with respect you don't understand what's at stake (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 20:34:09
        
        If the politicians (who didn't make it as rock and roll stars so chose politics instead) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 14, 20:45:31
        
        well you're not wrong there (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 20:47:14
    - I think the anti sensitism campaign has been overdone to be honest (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 14, 20:26:25
      - good, this govt needs bringing down, and, quite frankly, blaming this farce on what the (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 14, 20:33:15
        
        I’m not blaming it on labour but by the same token their attitude is a disgrace (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 14, 20:39:27
  - Juncker can barely wait to accept... (General Chat) - Dog, Nov 14, 20:12:28
- Well,I'm reasonably confident I shall have a foo bottles of wine tomorrow night. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 14, 20:08:06
  - Ooh get you and your fancy dan wines (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Nov 14, 20:41:28
    - Black tower💚💛💚 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 14, 21:39:05
- They should’ve brought in Noel Edmunds and made TM sit there with (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Nov 14, 20:02:17
  - That's exactly what they should have done (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 20:31:30
- Oh, and the triangulation, to borrow Blair's obnoxious phrase, will be thus: (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 19:52:00
  - she said exactly that in her statement (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 14, 19:57:31
  - (Last from me while I'm just talking to self) Finally, here is the actual deal (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 19:53:13
    - not a single mention of the Nodge, lunch, or football (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 20:33:18
      - and no fecking contents page (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 20:36:40
      - Bloody hell. You read that remarkably quickly. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Nov 14, 20:36:39
        
        having now finished reading it I can't see how the DUP accept this (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 14, 22:01:54
    - too many words (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 14, 20:11:15

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