I'm sure that's right. I don't agree with the concept of the league orchestrating some

mass coming out party though. They are not the right people to do that or even to make the call that safety in numbers is the way to do it. That should be up to the players involved and apparently thus far they've decided that the best thing to do is to just keep quiet about it.

By the way, over the last 20 years I must have coached in the thousands of American football players, certainly several hundred within the area I would have been coaching, and NOT ONE has come out. I don't only mean not coming out within the context of the sport but I am not aware of a single guy who has come out in his private life either (we all kind of know each other as it is a very small world in Europe). I am sure there must have been one or two who I haven't notice, being something I'm not actively looking for, but it is still a powerful indicator of how difficult it is for sportsmen to be open about their sexuality in team sports.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on January 24th 2018 at 16:02:29

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Gary Nevillegate....what's the Wrath's opinion ? (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:02:25
- before the end of this century women will be playing in the premier lge (Other Football) - Tombs, Jan 24, 13:21:38
  - Only if there is a Premier League bake off........ (Other Football) - usacanary, Jan 24, 15:57:09
  - within the next 10 years (Other Football) - paulg, Jan 24, 13:30:34
    - No league 2? (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:36:43
      - or indeed, no gender at all ... (Other Football) - paulg, Jan 24, 13:43:47
        
        I think football would have to be grown up enough to accept gay men before it could get (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:51:20
        
        it does accept gay men its just that none have been brave enough to come out (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Jan 24, 14:01:09
        
        If they are accepted by football (I mean clubs, players, fans alike), why are they scared (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 14:03:35
        
        From what I've heard, not first-hand, it's not the clubs or other players that's the issue (Other Football) - Old Man, Jan 24, 15:02:05
        
        I'm sure that's right. I don't agree with the concept of the league orchestrating some (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 16:02:29
        
        I would imagine there are gay players who are out within their club (Other Football) - earlydoors, Jan 24, 14:51:17
        
        Well that's true. And almost every single team sport athlete who has come out, tells the (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 15:57:22
        
        Perhaps they dont want to be the FA's poster boy to be whored about (Other Football) - wolfio, Jan 24, 14:11:30
        
        This was a thread about womens sport (Other Football) - Tombs, Jan 24, 14:58:43
        
        you only need to follow this thread back to work that out (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 16:07:15
      - LOL (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:41:08
        
        It's not so much about that. There are male players whose stature could easily (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 14:02:07
        
        Women regularly beat men in tennis so the precedent in sport does exist (Other Football) - Tombs, Jan 24, 14:55:59
        
        Do they? I don't know. But very possible. But they have in place what I was saying you (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 16:09:43
        
        oh yes, every mixed double final has got a woman in the team (Other Football) - Tombs, Jan 24, 16:37:10
        
        just take a look a Wesso (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 24, 14:34:25
        
        Sorry won’t happen (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 14:05:47
  - Ha ha (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:24:22
    - sensory news implant (Other Football) - Tombs, Jan 24, 13:28:15
      - I read an article in the 60s by some female athletics coach who confidently (Other Football) - dennis moore, Jan 24, 14:21:06
- I mean Phil Nevillgate!!! (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:16:14
- Nobody watches women's football anyway, because its complete shit. (n/m) (Other Football) - MIKEWALKER, Jan 24, 13:14:19
  - Ronald Waterreus said that and got slated. (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:18:27
    - who the fuck is Ronald Walrus? (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 24, 13:24:04
      - Former PSV and Dutch National team goalkeeper, now a TV pundit (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:25:27
        
        a scouser then? (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 24, 13:32:17
        
        He certainly looked like one: (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:52:45
- Do you mean Phil Neville? I just feel that we are moving to (Other Football) - Jim, Jan 24, 13:12:12
  - it's not like the Home Secretary has a dodgy history at all (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 24, 13:31:29
  - but someone who knows they want a career (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jan 24, 13:19:42
    - But sometimes you don;t know what life holds (Other Football) - Jim, Jan 24, 13:42:37
- Never managed and he didn’t apply would be the bigger problem for me. (n/m) (Other Football) - bird table, Jan 24, 13:12:03
  - Lambert never applied to be Norwich manager (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:20:32
    - He had 4 years of managerial experience though. (Other Football) - bird table, Jan 24, 13:47:19
      - Could just have a rule where you must have a female manager (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:55:12
        
        Would've saved them an awful lot of bother. (Other Football) - bird table, Jan 24, 13:58:39
        
        Wouldn't the choice then have been Hope Powell or Hope Powell? (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 14:04:57
        
        Rachel Yankey, Casey Stoney, Kelly Smith all have their UEFA A licences I believe. (Other Football) - bird table, Jan 24, 14:10:31
- you'll get used to it grandad (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 24, 13:08:44
- is this a different one from Philgate, or have you got your gates mixed up (Other Football) - earlydoors, Jan 24, 13:08:26
- Thats why I would advise for any celeb to only... (Other Football) - usacanary, Jan 24, 13:07:08
  - ^^^ has shagged Larry Hagman (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:16:59
    - I fucking wish..... what a story...... (n/m) (Other Football) - usacanary, Jan 24, 15:54:37
- famous - tick (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jan 24, 13:05:02
  - He’s put a couple of cheeky tweets and got hammered. No need to apologise (n/m) (Other Football) - Hulk Rules, Jan 24, 13:06:10
    - Must be the first women’s manager with experience of proper football (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:10:57
      - apart from those that did? (n/m) (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jan 24, 13:25:51
        
        To an elite level? (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:39:00
        
        so when you said 'proper' you meant 'elite'? righto (n/m) (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Jan 24, 13:45:10
        
        Of course (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:48:15
      - Martin Reagan played for Norwich you cheeky bastard. (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jan 24, 13:22:49
        
        Never heard of him (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jan 24, 13:38:32

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