More people should understand this. Article from a week or two back
...even more relevant today
"With apologies for asking the question yet again, what will the economic effects of the UK leaving the EU be? In the past fortnight, Brexit supporters have started to claim their optimism is being justified by a buoyant stock market and strong figures for jobs and shop sales.
If Britain in August participated in anything resembling political debate, “What was all the fuss about?” would probably have been the prevailing argument. The only honest answer to the question of Brexit’s effects is “Don’t know”, at least with any precision.
But the strongest clue has not come from the stock market or July’s unemployment and retail sales but from the currency markets. There, the message has been consistent and its implications have still to sink in.
On June 23, the day of the referendum, sterling reached a high of $1.50 and €1.31 shortly after polls closed. It then plummeted, and has since averaged at about $1.30 and €1.18. In trade-weighted terms, the pound is down more than 15 per cent from its level a year ago, when David Cameron, then prime minister, started the renegotiations that would lead to the referendum.
The foreign exchange markets are not always a reliable witness. They can be skittish, and their daily movements are sometimes impenetrable. But when rates move sharply and then settle for more than a month without second thoughts, their judgment shouldn’t be ignored. It is backed not by punditry but by many billions of dollars from in and outside the UK, so deserves more attention than it has been getting.
In essence, the currency markets are saying that all UK assets are worth less than they used to be. Land, property, companies, bank deposits, government debt — everything in the UK has been marked down against the rest of the world. Although the FTSE 100 has boomed, that is largely because its component companies earn most of their revenue and profits outside the UK.
Why do these international valuations matter to the average British household? Not many people are old enough to remember Harold Wilson’s fallacious message to the electorate when his government devalued sterling in 1967. “The pound in your pocket”, he claimed reassuringly, would not be devalued. Of course it was, and it has been again in the past two months, as every British holiday-maker abroad has already discovered.
But nobody should imagine that the traveller’s experience is an isolated exception. Indirectly, all Britons go abroad every day — to buy oil, food, clothes, Hollywood movies and much more. Imports are equal to roughly 30 per cent of UK gross domestic product, and if their cost goes up because of the vote to leave the EU, it is only a matter of time before everybody will be poorer.
The mechanism by which Britons will get poorer is through prices rising more than wages — in other words, a real-wage cut. That would cement the effects of a cheaper pound, and in a textbook world, sterling’s real devaluation would then make exports more competitive, so their volume would blossom while that of imports shrunk. In which case, Britain’s large trade deficit would fall; the economy would start to be rebalanced; in due course foreigners would be so impressed that they would again favour the pound, and its international purchasing power would gradually be restored.
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The snag with this happy prognosis is that it hasn’t happened before, at least not on a lasting basis. Seventy years ago the pound could buy $4.03, and it has been devalued periodically since then. Each devaluation produced a temporary fall in the real exchange rate, but it was not long before domestic costs started rising faster than the costs of Britain’s trading partners, and the advantage eroded.
Will this time be different? There is no reason to think so. In fact, a devaluation-powered improvement in Britain’s trade will be even harder to achieve if Brexit is reducing access to the EU’s single market and no alternative export markets have opened up to make good the difference. In which case, the message from the foreign exchanges is bleak. The British have become poorer than they were before the votes were counted on June 23, and that reality will become clearer as the months go by. Just when real incomes had started to recover from the sharp squeeze of 2009-14, they will be set back again.
The holidaymakers returning from abroad have already tasted what is to come. Whether getting poorer is what 52 per cent of the June 23 voters wanted or expected, it is what is happening.
Posted By: Tricky Hawes on October 7th 2016 at 13:04:28
Message Thread
- More people should understand this. Article from a week or two back (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:04:28
- Look out Tricky is moaning again as politics has gone against him (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Oct 7, 17:59:56
- The € has fallen against the $ as well, though not quite as much (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Oct 7, 14:23:47
- 'not quite as much' (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 14:46:17
- Who was the historian who said, when asked about the long term effects of (General Chat) - dennis moore, Oct 7, 13:48:10
- Not a historian - was the Chinese leader Zhou Enlai (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:51:33
- oi oi, Stephen Fry in da house (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 7, 13:55:35
- (Actually, for completeness - the Chinese reckon it was Kissinger who asked the question, (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:55:12
- Not a historian - was the Chinese leader Zhou Enlai (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:51:33
- Nobody really knows is the bottom line and nor will they until...... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Oct 7, 13:40:06
- Good read, thanks. Where was it from? (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 7, 13:28:44
- FT (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:31:02
- it's a guess (General Chat) - paulg, Oct 7, 13:26:37
- VMT (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 7, 13:40:23
- The drop in sterling isn't a guess, it's actually happened (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 7, 13:36:39
- Fat finger!...or better still, dodgy algorithms..... (General Chat) - yellowman, Oct 7, 13:56:52
- As has been said about 4 times, ignore the volatility last night (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:59:03
- Ok,just an observation on the fickle nature of markets/money. (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Oct 7, 14:04:43
- As has been said about 4 times, ignore the volatility last night (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:59:03
- but the FTSE 100 is through the roof - swings and roundabouts. (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Oct 7, 13:43:04
- unless we can pay for imported goods (including raw materials) and services using shares (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 13:49:03
- well it is (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 7, 14:01:19
- the majority of us are not in the same boat as you (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 14:05:18
- not sure what boat you think I'm in (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 7, 16:19:43
- You don't feel poorer because it hasn't fed through into prices in the shops yet (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 16:23:11
- not sure what boat you think I'm in (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 7, 16:19:43
- the majority of us are not in the same boat as you (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 14:05:18
- It is if you're a shareholder (or your pension fund is) (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 7, 13:57:17
- Yep. Pension funds doing very well out of it now. (General Chat) - Yellalee, Oct 7, 13:59:02
- well it is (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 7, 14:01:19
- Sigh. This is where people need to better informed (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:47:39
- *smug face* (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 7, 13:53:09
- unless we can pay for imported goods (including raw materials) and services using shares (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 7, 13:49:03
- Fat finger!...or better still, dodgy algorithms..... (General Chat) - yellowman, Oct 7, 13:56:52
- where was the guesswork in there? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 7, 13:35:55
- Didn't you get the memo? Facts are so 2015. (n/m) (General Chat) - bird table, Oct 7, 14:23:42
- Haven't read all of that, but yes. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Oct 7, 13:05:19
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