The EU is not undemocratic

The UK electorate may have a smaller proportion of influence but that is just the effect of democracy when it operates on a much larger scale.

The Council and Commission are both appointed by democratically elected governments and they take decisions on a democratic basis (mostly - there are still some areas of competence that need an arguably undemocratic unanimous vote).

It's parliament is democratically elected (and on a much fairer basis than ours is). It doesn't have a legislative chamber full of people appointed as a political favour, unlike our system.

It may be a beurocratic behemoth with a great many faults, but it's not undemocratic except from a purely domestic viewpoint (ie the idea that I can't control UK matters because there are 26 other nations that also have a say and I might be outVOTED).

Posted By: CWC on September 5th 2016 at 16:01:59

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There are alot of educated people on here who are a good example to people who (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 14:58:09
- Can't we just shoot all the Brexit cunts (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 15:59:38
  - You sound like Eddie Izzard (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Sep 5, 16:28:06
    - plod have charged the bloke that nicked his hat (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 5, 17:20:49
      - How beret dare they. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Sep 5, 17:30:39
  - Blub (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Sep 5, 16:09:44
  - nope that's illegal, so you will just have to quit your blubbing and move on (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 5, 16:08:27
    - Could pass a law to make it legal then (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:14:31
      - not under the European Convention of Human Rights we couldn't (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 5, 16:19:58
        
        Not even with a water pistol? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:21:40
        
        also rules out "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Sep 5, 16:26:29
        
        Ffs (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:34:08
      - prick. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 16:15:11
  - Yes. I am a BRUNT. 👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 16:06:51
- Lots of educated people have no life plan either... (General Chat) - usacanary, Sep 5, 15:42:34
- The debate doesn't end with the referendum though (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 5, 15:15:27
  - That is horseshit. I'm not a Tory,your views are simply umdecrocratic. (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 15:22:17
    - Because they are racist ffs (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:00:52
      - You are racist (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Sep 5, 16:29:34
      - Blub (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Sep 5, 16:10:04
      - i am a brunt.👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 16:06:03
    - well, you've completely missed the point (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 5, 15:26:25
      - That people want to protest against democracy? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 15:27:58
        
        that the right to protest is itself part of a democracy (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Sep 5, 15:32:34
        
        I think you have a right to continue the campaign but you shouldn't (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 5, 17:28:54
        
        a bit like the twats who've been whining since 1975 then? (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Sep 5, 17:41:57
        
        Not saying people should shut it. And 1975 is different because (General Chat) - Jim, Sep 5, 17:53:04
        
        Yes you're right, sorry, they are just enraging me. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 15:33:49
        
        Of course they are (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:25:46
- Brexit doesnt make sense (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 15:10:23
  - That isn't the point. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 5, 15:11:31
    - what is the point (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 5, 15:18:45
      - To be represented by democratically elected MPs, not beholdened (General Chat) - dennis moore, Sep 5, 15:30:04
        
        The EU is not undemocratic (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 5, 16:01:59
        
        I'm not saying th EU is undemocratic on its own terms, but that (General Chat) - dennis moore, Sep 5, 16:21:53
        
        moot point though now that the uk has voted to leave (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 5, 16:11:11
        
        Wasn't a legally binding referendum tbf (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:24:27
        
        our PM thinks it is (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 5, 16:29:06
        
        Eh? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:35:19
        
        And the relevance of that is...? (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Sep 5, 18:08:23
        
        dunt blah (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Sep 5, 16:40:35
        
        Maybe not, but I reckon remainers would have considered it so (General Chat) - dennis moore, Sep 5, 16:28:18
        
        No it was never legally binding (General Chat) - SCC 28, Sep 5, 16:36:15
- Liberals are democratic. As long as they win. (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Sep 5, 15:00:44
  - Be fun watching the US if Trump wins. (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Sep 5, 15:30:37
    - Not much of a choice is it. Our poor US chums have 2 total shits to choose from. (General Chat) - Pit, Sep 5, 15:34:02
- Vmt (n/m) (General Chat) - Hulk Rules, Sep 5, 15:00:42

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