I think you are right with that but it does make the conclusion

that supporter behaviour was not a factor in the situation that developed outside the turnstiles or the incident at all a little strange when it appears that they have acknowledged every other factor that contributed.

On that though I think jurors are only human. They've sat in a court for 2 years listening to a catalogue of mistakes and errors by the police and other emergency services/organisations and decided that they were primarily culpable and once they had decided that and sat and listened to the families of the deceased for several weeks its probably unsurprising that they did not want to answer yes to that question. I guess you would say that the supporter behaviour that day was not abnormal for the time or for a big match whereas the conduct of the authorities fell well below the standard you would expect.

Posted By: Jim on April 26th 2016 at 12:30:40

Message Thread

Hillsborough: the 96 were unlawfully killed (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Man, Apr 26, 11:15:13
- logs off the internet (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Apr 26, 12:07:52
- I must have missed something. I thought all this was done a couple of years ago? Then (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Apr 26, 11:53:27
  - there's a timeline of what happened (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Apr 26, 12:18:12
  - I have thought about this (Other Football) - duke of york, Apr 26, 12:18:09
    - Indeed. Was my point. Police should have anticipated. It was a known risk which was (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Apr 26, 12:58:20
      - the ground appears to have generally been an accident waiting to happen as well (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 26, 13:05:55
    - I think you are right with that but it does make the conclusion (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 26, 12:30:40
  - There was a previous inquest but its findings were quashed as the coroner (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 26, 12:09:11
    - you might want to read the questions given to the jury and the guidence as to how they sho (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Apr 26, 12:30:32
      - Interesting. Will be interesting also to see if a criminal prosecution is brought. (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 26, 12:45:45
- So much respect to the jurors who had to sit through this for so long (Other Football) - berstreetsfinest, Apr 26, 11:43:50
  - Like so many on here, I was at villa park that day (Other Football) - berstreetsfinest, Apr 26, 12:04:06
    - Yeah, me too (Other Football) - duke of york, Apr 26, 12:20:36
      - Mine was 9 and I'd taken him to all city games that season (Other Football) - berstreetsfinest, Apr 26, 12:29:25
        
        I used to hate away games as a kid (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Apr 26, 12:51:57
        
        Maybe it was because the old man was a bit Leary then? :))) (n/m) (Other Football) - berstreetsfinest, Apr 26, 13:09:25
        
        VMT (n/m) (Other Football) - strap_on sally, Apr 26, 13:11:19
  - Yep, I imagine it would be pretty horrible to go through in the kind of detail they did (n/m) (Other Football) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 11:57:03
    - Sets a record in terms of a case heard by a Jury, longest ever in legal history. (n/m) (Other Football) - DrDublin, Apr 26, 12:04:37
    - I read they've been excused from (n/m) (Other Football) - King, Apr 26, 12:02:19
      - ...further jury duty for 10 years in recognition of this (Other Football) - King, Apr 26, 12:03:03
        
        Yep (n/m) (Other Football) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 12:20:36
- Orgreave next. (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Apr 26, 11:32:14
- Shef Weds and their engineers also found in error. (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 26, 11:27:02
  - and the ambulance service. The lawyers are going to be busy! (n/m) (Other Football) - Jim, Apr 26, 11:31:10
- and the behaviour of fans didn't contribute to the disaster (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Apr 26, 11:19:01
  - One thing I don't understand: what caused the initial crush at the turnstiles? (n/m) (Other Football) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 12:12:31
    - As I understand it, lots of people trying to get in right before kickoff (Other Football) - I Am Hoot, Apr 26, 12:25:17
    - The behaviour of the fans? (n/m) (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Apr 26, 12:23:09
      - but it can't have been that, because they've been exonerated of all (Other Football) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 12:33:07
        
        I've honestly never really looked at the evidence before, but this is (Other Football) - dennis moore, Apr 26, 12:37:43
- And supporters not at fault (n/m) (Other Football) - CWC, Apr 26, 11:17:53
- (majority verdict, 7-2) (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Man, Apr 26, 11:17:06

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