West Ham have suffered relegation a couple of times, so no

WBA and Stoke havent always been midtable, but I guess Stoke could be on the way to that.

Posted By: Common Sense Police on March 2nd 2016 at 14:56:56

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What am I missing? (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:34:52
- clubs don't become better in proportion to the amounts of money being spent (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 2, 16:19:05
  - Agree and disagree (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 16:29:08
- How many teams actually "become" mid table prem teams over the long term? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:42:26
  - one. All the others are either top half or bottom half. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Mar 2, 16:07:40
    - actually in a league with an even number of teams it is always none (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 16:13:35
      - good point :) (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Mar 2, 16:19:39
  - Stoke Baggies and West Ham (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Mar 2, 14:53:00
    - West Ham have suffered relegation a couple of times, so no (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:56:56
      - Even Stoke had to wait a while in the lower leagues (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:02:32
        
        I remember Stoke bouncing around from the bottom of division one (now the champs) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:07:49
        
        And has there been any notable downside to big money backers coming in? (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:18:20
        
        Not for Stoke, they've only progressed in that time. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:23:05
        
        Trouble is there are more moneybanked teams than available Prem places (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 15:29:42
        
        It's definitely going to end up that way in the next few years (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:32:00
    - How much yo-yo-ing did Baggies have to do first? (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:55:38
      - We are following in Baggies' footsteps (previously it was Charlton) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:59:22
  - it depends how you spend the money. Huth cost about ?3M. Vardy ?1m. (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Mar 2, 14:50:16
    - What has that got to do with being a long term established prem club? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:51:14
      - Cos spending a lot of money means nothing if it's wasted (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Mar 2, 14:53:40
        
        Vardy was signed and developed in the championship (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:01:37
        
        Wonder how much they're paying Ranieri? (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 15:02:58
        
        Technically he's available to us if we pay him more! Worth bankrupting us for him? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:05:29
  - So with Delia are we bumping up against our ceiling? (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:46:30
    - Yes, but so what! (NCFC) - usacanary, Mar 2, 19:56:16
    - Well to be brutally honest yes (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:51:14
      - Gratitude is a sure fire way to a happier life. We should be thankful I agree (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:52:26
    - Pretty much (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:50:21
      - Balls could help on that front now though? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:51:14
    - Do we want to become owned by someone with zero affinity to the club or area then? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:49:23
      - Does it really have to be an either or situation? Isn't there (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:55:06
        
        True. Maybe there is. But I imagine money talks. Take dragons den for example (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:01:28
        
        Do any Premier teams operate at an actual profit or are (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 15:21:22
        
        i have no idea sorry, lord sugar might know though (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 19:01:10
      - Plus we have Delia's nephew (youth) and Ed Balls, McNally on the board (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:50:36
  - Bolton, Wigan, Fulham, Blackburn etc (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:46:00
    - And look at the state of all of those clubs now (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:55:24
      - Exactly, being "established" means you are less and less prepared for relegation (NCFC) - usacanary, Mar 2, 19:59:34
      - It's like going to a casino and going all out for bust! Our board steadied a possibly sink (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:04:17
        
        *put (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:04:38
    - Punching above our weight is fun too though. Beating the well established sides sometimes (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:47:12
- Only one of the 3 promoted teams is in the bottom 3. "Established teams" often waste money (n/m) (NCFC) - JD3, Mar 2, 14:41:29
  - Need to buy well in the summer when you come up. Have targets in place beforehand..... (NCFC) - JD3, Mar 2, 14:42:57
    - We didn't know what league we would be in until much later compared to Watford/B-mouth (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:44:22
- So what's the solution then? Sack Neil and do what? (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:36:45
  - Nothing to do with AN. I'm a supporter. My post is about (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:38:26
    - Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa have had YEARS of big transfer advantages over us (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:42:18
      - Exactly. Never give up. We are not an established premier league club. (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:43:45
    - Oh you mean longer term? Or does it entirely depend on staying up this season then? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:40:39
      - yes they'll get more next season but so will relegated teams (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:43:54
        
        This season and next etc will be stepping stones to a better future (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:45:11

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