How many teams actually "become" mid table prem teams over the long term?

Excluding the established clubs such as Everton and Villa (which is coming to an end), most clubs go through short term cycles of success and struggle, which includes relegation.

Even if we stay up, it's going to be a struggle to achieve that status, because the club simpy doesn't have the money to compete, even with the bottom teams.

Posted By: Common Sense Police on March 2nd 2016 at 14:42:26

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What am I missing? (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:34:52
- clubs don't become better in proportion to the amounts of money being spent (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 2, 16:19:05
  - Agree and disagree (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 16:29:08
- How many teams actually "become" mid table prem teams over the long term? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:42:26
  - one. All the others are either top half or bottom half. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Mar 2, 16:07:40
    - actually in a league with an even number of teams it is always none (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 16:13:35
      - good point :) (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Mar 2, 16:19:39
  - Stoke Baggies and West Ham (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Mar 2, 14:53:00
    - West Ham have suffered relegation a couple of times, so no (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:56:56
      - Even Stoke had to wait a while in the lower leagues (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:02:32
        
        I remember Stoke bouncing around from the bottom of division one (now the champs) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:07:49
        
        And has there been any notable downside to big money backers coming in? (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:18:20
        
        Not for Stoke, they've only progressed in that time. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:23:05
        
        Trouble is there are more moneybanked teams than available Prem places (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 15:29:42
        
        It's definitely going to end up that way in the next few years (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:32:00
    - How much yo-yo-ing did Baggies have to do first? (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:55:38
      - We are following in Baggies' footsteps (previously it was Charlton) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:59:22
  - it depends how you spend the money. Huth cost about ?3M. Vardy ?1m. (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Mar 2, 14:50:16
    - What has that got to do with being a long term established prem club? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:51:14
      - Cos spending a lot of money means nothing if it's wasted (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Mar 2, 14:53:40
        
        Vardy was signed and developed in the championship (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 15:01:37
        
        Wonder how much they're paying Ranieri? (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 15:02:58
        
        Technically he's available to us if we pay him more! Worth bankrupting us for him? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:05:29
  - So with Delia are we bumping up against our ceiling? (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:46:30
    - Yes, but so what! (NCFC) - usacanary, Mar 2, 19:56:16
    - Well to be brutally honest yes (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:51:14
      - Gratitude is a sure fire way to a happier life. We should be thankful I agree (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:52:26
    - Pretty much (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:50:21
      - Balls could help on that front now though? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:51:14
    - Do we want to become owned by someone with zero affinity to the club or area then? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:49:23
      - Does it really have to be an either or situation? Isn't there (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:55:06
        
        True. Maybe there is. But I imagine money talks. Take dragons den for example (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:01:28
        
        Do any Premier teams operate at an actual profit or are (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 15:21:22
        
        i have no idea sorry, lord sugar might know though (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 19:01:10
      - Plus we have Delia's nephew (youth) and Ed Balls, McNally on the board (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:50:36
  - Bolton, Wigan, Fulham, Blackburn etc (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:46:00
    - And look at the state of all of those clubs now (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Mar 2, 14:55:24
      - Exactly, being "established" means you are less and less prepared for relegation (NCFC) - usacanary, Mar 2, 19:59:34
      - It's like going to a casino and going all out for bust! Our board steadied a possibly sink (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:04:17
        
        *put (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 15:04:38
    - Punching above our weight is fun too though. Beating the well established sides sometimes (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:47:12
- Only one of the 3 promoted teams is in the bottom 3. "Established teams" often waste money (n/m) (NCFC) - JD3, Mar 2, 14:41:29
  - Need to buy well in the summer when you come up. Have targets in place beforehand..... (NCFC) - JD3, Mar 2, 14:42:57
    - We didn't know what league we would be in until much later compared to Watford/B-mouth (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:44:22
- So what's the solution then? Sack Neil and do what? (n/m) (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:36:45
  - Nothing to do with AN. I'm a supporter. My post is about (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Mar 2, 14:38:26
    - Newcastle, Sunderland and Villa have had YEARS of big transfer advantages over us (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:42:18
      - Exactly. Never give up. We are not an established premier league club. (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:43:45
    - Oh you mean longer term? Or does it entirely depend on staying up this season then? (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:40:39
      - yes they'll get more next season but so will relegated teams (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 2, 14:43:54
        
        This season and next etc will be stepping stones to a better future (NCFC) - essexcanaryOTBC, Mar 2, 14:45:11

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