Surely the point is it wasn't being pointed at them

Two mistakes here. One is the operator not passing on the info that the caller thought it was a toy. The second is they shoot without appearing to check at all whether its a toy or not. Unless they were parked out of shot watching for a period before they went charging in?

Posted By: Jim on November 27th 2014 at 19:48:07

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cctv footage of Cleveland shooting. All very quick ! (General Chat) - pants, Nov 27, 19:03:15
- really dunno what all the fuss is about tbh (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 27, 19:54:27
  - Funny how these cases come along and suddenly everyones a legal expert (General Chat) - wolfio, Nov 27, 20:58:46
  - because their respective communities feel very strongly that black people are targeted (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:00:32
    - well yes, it seems that the two events have been obsessed about by the uk media (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 27, 20:04:56
  - errrr Race.......when black gang bangers kill black kids it gets nothing...... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 19:57:48
    - oh, race crime is strictly the domain of the usa? (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 27, 20:01:36
    - Errr police shooting unarmed people in 'the land of the free' and on TV.. (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 27, 20:00:25
      - You are one of these people how loves to ignore actual facts.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:06:38
        
        New York Post?? please (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 27, 20:18:58
        
        feel free to refute the facts ....or doesnt that suit your agenda... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:24:22
        
        I have no agenda, but the New York Post is total bullshit from cover to cover (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 27, 20:27:45
        
        fuck you're bad (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 27, 21:50:06
        
        I think he realised he had read more than 10% posts on here today............... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 23:13:31
        
        that's an opinion. Majority of the witnesses said he had his hands up (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:16:58
        
        No they did not, its a lie, repeated to fit the agenda (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:22:40
        
        what you're gorgetting is... (General Chat) - jAC, Nov 27, 20:20:33
- Fuck me (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 27, 19:24:13
  - That was the other shooting wasn't it? This one (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 27, 19:40:03
  - As per normal they'll get away with it (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 27, 19:31:20
    - Just not true......... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 19:40:40
      - Historically in the UK and the USA people believe the police version of events... (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 27, 19:44:07
        
        well there might be a reason for that........ (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 19:52:33
        
        That last statement... (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 27, 19:55:01
        
        get away with it.......errr... he has already been fired and..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:02:50
        
        "often the person who has been shot is not an upstanding citizen and the cop is often..." (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 19:54:48
        
        so you think the vast majority of cops are bad people? (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:04:32
        
        I have no idea TBH. I wouldn't like to say. (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:12:33
        
        You have no idea if the vast majority of cops are bad people.... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:17:16
        
        ..... (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 27, 20:35:51
        
        read more, write more (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:24:22
        
        Wow, lol. Bingo! (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Nov 27, 20:31:58
        
        BOOOOM (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Nov 27, 20:29:19
        
        Well he is a proper Yankee doodle dandy now so has to toe the line. (n/m) (General Chat) - emmaroyds, Nov 27, 19:57:27
  - I don't know how I feel about it. It looks bad, but he was walking around waving a gun (General Chat) - pants, Nov 27, 19:31:16
    - It's a kid with a toy gun ffs (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 27, 19:40:35
      - must be nice to know the difference when its being pointed at you..... (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 19:43:46
        
        this case comes down to one and probably two things (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 19:53:18
        
        spot on.......in every case the person being shot is innocent (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 19:56:35
        
        innocent until proven guilty (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:03:51
        
        innocent until proven guilty, unless you're a cop (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 27, 20:09:04
        
        nope...I think you know why I have come to that conclusion (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:18:57
        
        If "cop" was a race....... this would be racist....... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:11:54
        
        it isn't though. (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:16:17
        
        Surely the point is it wasn't being pointed at them (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 27, 19:48:07
        
        They steamed in - images clearly show that... (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 27, 19:47:17
        
        That's fine then. Shoot first ask questions later. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 27, 19:45:38
        
        ask questions..... get shot....... get a nice funeral....... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 19:54:18
        
        Are you for real? (General Chat) - emmaroyds, Nov 27, 20:03:29
        
        Get shot with a toy gun you mean? (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 27, 20:01:07
        
        im sure this is exactly what British troops in Iraq and afghanistan (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:11:18
        
        v weak argument (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 27, 20:36:32
        
        usacanary lives a sheltered life (General Chat) - Brandonio, Nov 27, 20:40:39
        
        You're a wind up, aren't you? Like an American kind of Dapper Laughs? (n/m) (General Chat) - Yellalee, Nov 27, 20:24:55
        
        They'd probably treat the situation a bit differently I imagine, with it being a war zone. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 27, 20:15:05
        
        This. Surely they should have pulled up a safe distance away and (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 27, 20:09:37
        
        my thinking too (General Chat) - CWC, Nov 27, 20:15:42
        
        yes because every single gun waved at a cop is a toy gun..... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Nov 27, 20:08:43
        
        Course it's not but it was not being waved at the cops. Surely (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 27, 20:12:18

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