Swansea
So - they've got someone who'd never managed before at professional level in charge, and everything's hunky-dory there, in a higher division too. How come?
Because they've got the best football management structure in the whole UK, that's why: built up over the last 8 years, and started by someone close to a football revolutionary: Roberto Martinez. We don't have a football revolutionary at Norwich; we have Delia Smith and Neil Adams.
Swansea's structure is so good, their philosophy so consistent, that they've reached the point whereby it barely matters who their manager is. They're the closest thing to a continental club playing in the UK in that sense. From Martinez to Sousa to Rodgers to Laudrup to Monk: the success just goes on and on, and is completely seamless. I'll admit the latter has surprised me - but when a club's structure is THIS good, that's what happens. Monk also has a Spanish assistant; would we do that? No chance.
Instead, we have so little idea what our philosophy actually is that we've gone from Lambert (physical and direct) to Hughton (cagey and passive) to Adams (passing, attacking football, allegedly). Our style changes dramatically whenever we make a managerial change; Swansea's just continues.
The other model club, incidentally? West Brom. No rich benefactor; persevered through three relegations and a play-off final defeat; and slowly but surely, have raised their status bit by bit over the last 15 years. They've had to be run damn, damn well to do that - and not only be patient and long term at times, but act decisively at others.
So they fired Roberto di Matteo despite him taking them up: the right decision. They fired Steve Clarke despite him achieving a high finish with them: the right decision. They got Clarke's replacement completely wrong - but despite them staying up, they did another completely un-Norwich like thing. They realised they'd got it wrong and got rid
pronto.
What is Alan Irvine there? A coach, not a manager; but Irvine has always been a very, very highly rated coach, with tons of experience in professional football, unlike Adams. Their structure is right, and built up over the long term: so they're doing fine. We *think* that's what we're trying to emulate - but we've not even left the starting gate yet, and are years behind the Baggies; light years behind the Swans.
Posted By: thebigfeller on November 9th 2014 at 19:03:31
Message Thread
- Swansea (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:03:31
- "It barely matters who the manager is" - ROFL joke post (n/m) (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Nov 9, 20:28:26
- "It barely matters who the manager is" - ROFL joke post (n/m) (NCFC) - trianglepatch, Nov 9, 20:27:25
- that's ec (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 9, 19:27:23
- thats exactly why I didn't want Adams appointed, we had an under structure (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 9, 19:32:16
- I would suggest that the idea when hiring Hughton was to have a manager more connected to (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 9, 19:50:45
- thats exactly why I didn't want Adams appointed, we had an under structure (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 9, 19:32:16
- Supposition and conjecture. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:25:41
- has this ever happened before? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:31:06
- Default avenging canary. Whose rampant JEALOUSY of SCC is hilarious. (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:27:29
- Rumbled... (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:31:09
- We looked at Bony was was deemed too expensive (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Nov 9, 20:39:13
- No club strikes lucky for this length of time. Norwich didn't strike lucky between 1972 (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:36:07
- Another good point. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:39:27
- exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 9, 19:37:31
- but surely they have made good signings (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:34:45
- "this season" (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:37:26
- one poor signing and the rest generally good (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:40:08
- who were the good signings? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Nov 9, 19:46:18
- redmond, fer, olsson (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:47:22
- Redmond possibly in the future but last season he didn't produce (NCFC) - Brandonio, Nov 9, 19:54:56
- Redmond - we'll make money on him for sure (NCFC) - phrankin, Nov 9, 20:08:08
- lol (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:48:33
- Elmander is pushing it! (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:48:23
- OK, swap him for Yobo (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:48:50
- Bassong was a good signing until he lost it. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:50:57
- yeah, the season before bassong, turner, snodgrass and tettey (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:53:55
- Precisely. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:55:01
- yeah, the season before bassong, turner, snodgrass and tettey (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:53:55
- Bassong was a good signing until he lost it. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:50:57
- OK, swap him for Yobo (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:48:50
- Redmond possibly in the future but last season he didn't produce (NCFC) - Brandonio, Nov 9, 19:54:56
- redmond, fer, olsson (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:47:22
- none of the signings fit in with the squad or the style of play desired (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:45:13
- who were the good signings? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Nov 9, 19:46:18
- one poor signing and the rest generally good (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:40:08
- We've actually made some decent signings (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:37:17
- I agree, until this season we have generally made good signings since Lambert took over (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Nov 9, 19:39:05
- "this season" (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:37:26
- Rumbled... (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:31:09
- Ok. (NCFC) - APB, Nov 9, 19:21:29
- I'd be thrilled if the club proves me wrong and shows real vision (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:25:31
- West Brom will probably go down this season (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:32:14
- Well, we haven't not bounced back up yet. (NCFC) - APB, Nov 9, 19:30:54
- It's pretty bloody dark now! (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Nov 9, 19:43:54
- I'd be thrilled if the club proves me wrong and shows real vision (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:25:31
- Agree pretty much on Swansea (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 9, 19:12:16
- "last year" (n/m) (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 9, 19:15:15
- what is their management structure please? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:10:24
- Good academy, good recruitment, fantastic directors and a legacy left by Martinez (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:18:23
- no, that's not an answer I'm afraid (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:34:08
- Long term thinking. REAL long term thinking, as cited by Meca and Brandonio too (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:37:28
- again, not an answer to the question (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:42:00
- I think Huw Jenkins is the answer (NCFC) - Brandonio, Nov 9, 19:47:32
- Sorry, yes it is. How many clubs without bucketloads of cash think the way they do in (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:47:23
- again, not an answer to the question (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:42:00
- Long term thinking. REAL long term thinking, as cited by Meca and Brandonio too (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:37:28
- Huw Jenkins has a pretty hands on role there (NCFC) - Brandonio, Nov 9, 19:28:05
- no, that's not an answer I'm afraid (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 9, 19:34:08
- Good academy, good recruitment, fantastic directors and a legacy left by Martinez (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 9, 19:18:23
- I can't understand why you'd be surprised at Monk's success when your main point (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Nov 9, 19:07:35
- If we'd bought Garry Monk when I first suggested it then we would be in their position (n/m) (NCFC) - Huge Small, Nov 9, 19:07:27
- You only said that because he's got the best name in the whole wide world. (n/m) (NCFC) - Garry Brooke, Nov 9, 19:26:29
- too many words (NCFC) - Jumbo1, Nov 9, 19:05:26
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