To be honest though, with

Ferdinand, Terry, A. Cole, J. Cole, Scholes, Becks, Lampard, Gerrard, G. Neville and Owen at their primes in the same team, we really should have done better over those years.

Especially at the start with the older Sheringham, Shearer, Seaman, Ince et al to steady the ship.

Maybe has to do with never having two top strikers at once for very long. Had an ageing Shearer when Owen turned up, but by the time Rooney was in Owen was pretty much broken. And of the course the left midfield issue. Had Giggs stayed English that might have changed a lot.

Oh, and I don't believe Rooney was part of the Golden Generation. He came later with the not-quite-so-golden generation (Peter Crouch, Ledley King, Phil Neville, SWP et all). Which is why he ended up with so much expectation dumped on him for so long.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on August 28th 2014 at 14:49:48

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"With Lampard and Gerrard having retired from International Football... (Other Football) - Jim Nasium, Aug 28, 13:31:29
- It seems a bit arrogant to retire from international football (Other Football) - Ben, Aug 28, 16:14:31
- Did anybody EVER call them that? (Other Football) - HairyBobbingManAss, Aug 28, 13:32:49
  - I think it really started with that 5-1 win in Germany (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 13:54:38
    - Correct - it started after Sven was appointed and we beat the Germans (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 14:00:48
      - golden generation ≠ Phil Neville (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 14:04:34
        
        Dennis Wise played against Germany (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 14:08:24
        
        To be honest though, with (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Aug 28, 14:49:48
        
        There are always overlaps (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 14:55:46
        
        I think 2001-2010 is pretty accurate (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 15:08:44
        
        2001-2005 (Other Football) - Pit, Aug 28, 15:20:17
        
        the 'golden generation' isn't when they WERE 'golden' (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 15:50:47
        
        yes. i agree. i was just venting my anger at how shit England have been since 1998 (n/m) (Other Football) - Pit, Aug 28, 15:59:12
  - Kind of started 1998.When England performed really well and were unlucky against Argentina (Other Football) - pants, Aug 28, 13:44:19
    - Owen, Ferdinand, S.Campbell (n/m) (Other Football) - raretek, Aug 28, 13:52:11
      - probably still Scholes at that point too (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 13:53:35
    - Not saying Gerrard and Lampard were at 1998 (Other Football) - pants, Aug 28, 13:45:06
  - No - it was used in 2006 (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 13:37:33
    - 02 is stretching it a bit (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 13:50:57
      - Bar Brazil, we were no worse than any other side in the competition (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 13:57:51
        
        I agree it was easily our best chance to win it (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 14:01:09
        
        And we drew with Switzerland... and Spain should have beaten us (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 14:02:13
        
        and that German team had about 6 first choice starters injured or suspended (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Aug 28, 14:05:13
        
        Gazza was just a stud away though!!! (Other Football) - norway, Aug 28, 14:18:48

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