It's not an argument.

The problem laid out was that NA is not going to get us promoted because:

A) he was not a sufficiently successful player
B) he has not been a sufficiently successful manager
C) our storied and successful players do not sufficiently respect him for the reasons outlined above

I want a list of managers who will fulfil these criteria.

I'll present them in an email to the "Football Board".

Posted By: trafford_canary on August 12th 2014 at 12:52:15

Message Thread

Do the players respect the manager? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:02:37
- I love this post. Eloquently states the situation in a nutshell. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:13:28
- We've got 2 home games and an away game at Ipswich (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 12, 12:49:04
- Perhaps the players are playing at their level now (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Aug 12, 12:30:22
  - Any last remnants of Lambert's attacking play was gone by Xmas 2013 (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:45:35
    - xmas 2012 - time flys (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:47:36
  - I agree that they were over-performing. I also think just how clever Hughton was was never (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:36:42
  - They overperformed for 2 months under hughton (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:34:13
    - I don't really want to get into that debate again (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Aug 12, 12:37:05
      - I agree our players aren't very good (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:39:17
  - Over-performing in the first year under Hughton?!?! Good lord, why weren't we down at Xmas (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:32:49
- Agree entirely (NCFC) - mumrah, Aug 12, 12:27:41
  - So we should only employ a manager who is going to successfully keep us in the prem? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:33:49
  - on what do you base that crystal ball analysis? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:33:24
  - the only reason I can see he was appointed was to bring younger players through (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:28:46
    - Or (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:34:27
- Oh, and alternatives? Lennon, Mackay (if either or both turned us down, we should be (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:25:13
  - Such inspiring choices. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:31:13
    - Both Lennon and Mackay would've been good choices. Celtic are already showing what a good (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:34:28
      - Why are they both out of work right now then ? (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 12, 13:00:04
        
        Because both are in a position to wait for the right job to come up. Good for them (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 13:02:29
      - Things take time to change. We've played 90 minutes under Adams. Look at it like that. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:37:20
        
        Wrong; 1 pt from six games and that in a game where we needed all 3! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 13:14:28
        
        No we've played 6 games under Adams (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:39:28
        
        Bollocks. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:41:29
        
        I still find the playing of Elmander v Arsenal instead of one of our main strikers (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:41:24
        
        Injuries? Attitudes? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:43:33
        
        but apart from the Wolf the other strikers are still at the club, have they still (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:46:02
        
        He has dealt with it! Grabban? Lafferty? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 14:54:00
        
        No, we played 5 games under Hughton's zombies being organised by Adams. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:40:50
        
        That went well didn't it? (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 13:17:06
        
        He dropped the best players for those games as well... and we lost them all (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:43:21
        
        I'm not sure you can say we had any "best players" last year? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:44:36
        
        We had some 'more talented' players (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:46:57
        
        That is a very good point. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:49:40
        
        So, you're a manager. Someone refuses to respect you through no fault of your own. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 14:56:08
        
        As dodgy as Bassong was last season, he played in the vast majority of our clean sheets (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:51:59
        
        yep I dont think he had such a bad season to be honest. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:55:10
        
        Bollocks - right place now! (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:42:38
  - It has been suggested Mackay refused to work in our new setup. (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:27:26
    - It's 1 game in to the new setup. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:39:32
    - More fool us for bringing in the setup and refusing to relent, then (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:28:14
- POTD right there! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 12:23:50
- Neil Adams should not have got the job, not because of ability (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:16:59
  - It doesn't matter what I think Chuck. It matters what the PLAYERS think (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:20:03
    - I don't know (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:26:09
      - Mclaren has won the Dutch league (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:30:50
        
        and was ridiculed relentlessly after England (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:34:18
        
        So was Graham Taylor (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:35:59
        
        thats a turnip for the books (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:36:45
      - I'm sure he knows plenty about football. But he's a coach, not a manager (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:27:12
        
        roy hodgson? (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:30:17
        
        Roy Hodgson's been a successful manager for 35 years. Manuel Pellegrini's been a (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:41:47
        
        neither look like leaders to me (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:49:44
    - Sean Dyche. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:23:02
  - Do the fans respect the manager is the real question isn't it? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:19:52
    - You don't need to have been in the team to be out of it. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:23:44
    - Was becchio ever in the team? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:20:36
  - So the worried fans were to blame for Sunday? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:18:59
    - the atmosphere around a club is pretty important, yes (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:28:29
      - If the club want a positive atmosphere they should provide something to be positive about. (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:18:10
      - we havent had atmosphere at the club for about 2 years. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:29:36
        
        indeed (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:31:28
        
        agreed and If we had of appointed a decent manager and signed 2-3 key players there (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:32:46
        
        NA has not been proven to not be a decent manager. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:46:53
        
        Fair enough lets be the guinea pig then, he was more ilkely to work if he had of been (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:49:17
        
        I saw lots of positivity before Sunday (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:32:30
        
        mugs (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:34:50
    - Agree I didn't have a scooby who Lambert was but I did know he couldn't be worse than Gunn (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:21:00
    - That's not what was said. Why does a 1-0 loss away from home need blame??? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:20:46
      - It was the performance not the defeat (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:23:44
        
        momentum is key (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:27:02
        
        Both teams are in the Championship now. We weren't outclassed for most of the game. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:26:58
        
        Of course we were outclassed! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:37:01
        
        Yes, we were so outclassed we were already hopelessly beaten. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:46:00
        
        When they scored for sure! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:52:32
      - it wasn't about winning its the way we lost that courses concern, because that (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:23:31
        
        Redmond up from was the worry for me... A guy that can't shoot. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:25:52
        
        Redmond up front, Martin centre half, Surman deep midfield, Grabban almost a winger (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:27:04
  - Yes. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:17:59
- I couldn't agree more, the Olsson push was a sign of ill discipline, alot of our (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:16:15
  - So, so true. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:20:01
- Quite a lot of confirmation bias in there, if we're being critical. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Aug 12, 12:15:01
- I must admit, as some who thought Adams would do OK (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:09:34
  - He was getting riled because the ref was letting Wolves get away with shit.... (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:11:54
    - True. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:19:13
  - We needed to hit the ground running (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:10:53
    - It was one fucking game! (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:12:25
      - of the same shite we've witnessed (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:15:20
      - In which we were passive, tepid, soft and had a punchdrunk look about us throughout (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:14:39
        
        I thought we looked better after half time. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:17:35
        
        Half time was the best bit of the game. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:25:14
        
        We did look the better side after half time (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:24:34
- Name 5 alternatives. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:08:08
  - Any 5? (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 12, 12:25:30
  - George Graham (n/m) (NCFC) - Huge Small, Aug 12, 12:21:08
  - Crap counter-argument there. Continuing the critical analysis. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Aug 12, 12:15:55
    - It's not an argument. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:52:15
  - Yes like when we kept hughton (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:09:53
    - Name 5 alternatives. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:10:16
      - What a stupid question. (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 12:26:03
      - As someone who is willing to give Adams more time than most on here (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 12, 12:14:20
        
        I'm not defending him, I'm asking for alternatives which no one is actually giving me. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:15:02
        
        You realise the reason nobody is giving you alternative names isn't (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 12, 12:19:08
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:28:51
        
        Absolutely, there is no better choice out their than our Youth team manager.... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:23:13
      - Whatever for? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:13:10
      - Why five? We only need one... (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:11:56
        
        So we have one on the list, he says no and we do what? Delia picks? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:14:15
        
        Isn't that what happened anyway? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 12, 14:32:26
        
        Wow! There must be a real deficit of football managers these days... ffs... (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:24:23
- Great post (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:07:48
  - fool (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:19:26
  - He did win the league with Everton (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:10:01
    - Ok he's a legend (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:12:20
      - Good (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:25:11
  - Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:09:02
    - ^^^^ This, in spades. Delusion central ^^^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 12, 12:39:37
    - ? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:11:06

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