I don't really want to get into that debate again

but I think we might need to reset our expectations regarding how good some of the players are. The team we put out against Wolves has very few players that would interest PL clubs right now.

Posted By: Mecagoenti on August 12th 2014 at 12:37:05

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Do the players respect the manager? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:02:37
- I love this post. Eloquently states the situation in a nutshell. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:13:28
- We've got 2 home games and an away game at Ipswich (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 12, 12:49:04
- Perhaps the players are playing at their level now (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Aug 12, 12:30:22
  - Any last remnants of Lambert's attacking play was gone by Xmas 2013 (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:45:35
    - xmas 2012 - time flys (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:47:36
  - I agree that they were over-performing. I also think just how clever Hughton was was never (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:36:42
  - They overperformed for 2 months under hughton (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:34:13
    - I don't really want to get into that debate again (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Aug 12, 12:37:05
      - I agree our players aren't very good (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:39:17
  - Over-performing in the first year under Hughton?!?! Good lord, why weren't we down at Xmas (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:32:49
- Agree entirely (NCFC) - mumrah, Aug 12, 12:27:41
  - So we should only employ a manager who is going to successfully keep us in the prem? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:33:49
  - on what do you base that crystal ball analysis? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:33:24
  - the only reason I can see he was appointed was to bring younger players through (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:28:46
    - Or (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:34:27
- Oh, and alternatives? Lennon, Mackay (if either or both turned us down, we should be (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:25:13
  - Such inspiring choices. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:31:13
    - Both Lennon and Mackay would've been good choices. Celtic are already showing what a good (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:34:28
      - Why are they both out of work right now then ? (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Aug 12, 13:00:04
        
        Because both are in a position to wait for the right job to come up. Good for them (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 13:02:29
      - Things take time to change. We've played 90 minutes under Adams. Look at it like that. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:37:20
        
        Wrong; 1 pt from six games and that in a game where we needed all 3! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 13:14:28
        
        No we've played 6 games under Adams (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:39:28
        
        Bollocks. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:41:29
        
        I still find the playing of Elmander v Arsenal instead of one of our main strikers (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:41:24
        
        Injuries? Attitudes? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:43:33
        
        but apart from the Wolf the other strikers are still at the club, have they still (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:46:02
        
        He has dealt with it! Grabban? Lafferty? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 14:54:00
        
        No, we played 5 games under Hughton's zombies being organised by Adams. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:40:50
        
        That went well didn't it? (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 13:17:06
        
        He dropped the best players for those games as well... and we lost them all (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:43:21
        
        I'm not sure you can say we had any "best players" last year? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:44:36
        
        We had some 'more talented' players (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:46:57
        
        That is a very good point. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:49:40
        
        So, you're a manager. Someone refuses to respect you through no fault of your own. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 14:56:08
        
        As dodgy as Bassong was last season, he played in the vast majority of our clean sheets (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:51:59
        
        yep I dont think he had such a bad season to be honest. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:55:10
        
        Bollocks - right place now! (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:42:38
  - It has been suggested Mackay refused to work in our new setup. (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:27:26
    - It's 1 game in to the new setup. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:39:32
    - More fool us for bringing in the setup and refusing to relent, then (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:28:14
- POTD right there! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 12:23:50
- Neil Adams should not have got the job, not because of ability (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:16:59
  - It doesn't matter what I think Chuck. It matters what the PLAYERS think (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:20:03
    - I don't know (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:26:09
      - Mclaren has won the Dutch league (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:30:50
        
        and was ridiculed relentlessly after England (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:34:18
        
        So was Graham Taylor (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:35:59
        
        thats a turnip for the books (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:36:45
      - I'm sure he knows plenty about football. But he's a coach, not a manager (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:27:12
        
        roy hodgson? (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:30:17
        
        Roy Hodgson's been a successful manager for 35 years. Manuel Pellegrini's been a (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:41:47
        
        neither look like leaders to me (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:49:44
    - Sean Dyche. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:23:02
  - Do the fans respect the manager is the real question isn't it? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:19:52
    - You don't need to have been in the team to be out of it. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:23:44
    - Was becchio ever in the team? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:20:36
  - So the worried fans were to blame for Sunday? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:18:59
    - the atmosphere around a club is pretty important, yes (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:28:29
      - If the club want a positive atmosphere they should provide something to be positive about. (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:18:10
      - we havent had atmosphere at the club for about 2 years. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:29:36
        
        indeed (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:31:28
        
        agreed and If we had of appointed a decent manager and signed 2-3 key players there (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:32:46
        
        NA has not been proven to not be a decent manager. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:46:53
        
        Fair enough lets be the guinea pig then, he was more ilkely to work if he had of been (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:49:17
        
        I saw lots of positivity before Sunday (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:32:30
        
        mugs (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:34:50
    - Agree I didn't have a scooby who Lambert was but I did know he couldn't be worse than Gunn (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:21:00
    - That's not what was said. Why does a 1-0 loss away from home need blame??? (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:20:46
      - It was the performance not the defeat (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:23:44
        
        momentum is key (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:27:02
        
        Both teams are in the Championship now. We weren't outclassed for most of the game. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:26:58
        
        Of course we were outclassed! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:37:01
        
        Yes, we were so outclassed we were already hopelessly beaten. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:46:00
        
        When they scored for sure! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:52:32
      - it wasn't about winning its the way we lost that courses concern, because that (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:23:31
        
        Redmond up from was the worry for me... A guy that can't shoot. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:25:52
        
        Redmond up front, Martin centre half, Surman deep midfield, Grabban almost a winger (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:27:04
  - Yes. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:17:59
- I couldn't agree more, the Olsson push was a sign of ill discipline, alot of our (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:16:15
  - So, so true. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:20:01
- Quite a lot of confirmation bias in there, if we're being critical. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Aug 12, 12:15:01
- I must admit, as some who thought Adams would do OK (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:09:34
  - He was getting riled because the ref was letting Wolves get away with shit.... (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:11:54
    - True. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pink un exile, Aug 12, 17:19:13
  - We needed to hit the ground running (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:10:53
    - It was one fucking game! (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:12:25
      - of the same shite we've witnessed (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:15:20
      - In which we were passive, tepid, soft and had a punchdrunk look about us throughout (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Aug 12, 12:14:39
        
        I thought we looked better after half time. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:17:35
        
        Half time was the best bit of the game. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Aug 12, 12:25:14
        
        We did look the better side after half time (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:24:34
- Name 5 alternatives. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:08:08
  - Any 5? (NCFC) - CWC, Aug 12, 12:25:30
  - George Graham (n/m) (NCFC) - Huge Small, Aug 12, 12:21:08
  - Crap counter-argument there. Continuing the critical analysis. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Aug 12, 12:15:55
    - It's not an argument. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:52:15
  - Yes like when we kept hughton (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:09:53
    - Name 5 alternatives. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:10:16
      - What a stupid question. (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Aug 12, 12:26:03
      - As someone who is willing to give Adams more time than most on here (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 12, 12:14:20
        
        I'm not defending him, I'm asking for alternatives which no one is actually giving me. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:15:02
        
        You realise the reason nobody is giving you alternative names isn't (NCFC) - Yellalee, Aug 12, 12:19:08
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:28:51
        
        Absolutely, there is no better choice out their than our Youth team manager.... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:23:13
      - Whatever for? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:13:10
      - Why five? We only need one... (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Aug 12, 12:11:56
        
        So we have one on the list, he says no and we do what? Delia picks? (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:14:15
        
        Isn't that what happened anyway? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Aug 12, 14:32:26
        
        Wow! There must be a real deficit of football managers these days... ffs... (NCFC) - phrankin, Aug 12, 12:24:23
- Great post (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:07:48
  - fool (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Aug 12, 12:19:26
  - He did win the league with Everton (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:10:01
    - Ok he's a legend (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:12:20
      - Good (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Aug 12, 12:25:11
  - Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Aug 12, 12:09:02
    - ^^^^ This, in spades. Delusion central ^^^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Aug 12, 12:39:37
    - ? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Aug 12, 12:11:06

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