you are correct it was captured from Ukraine Army

by rebels armed to the teeth by Russia and backed by Russian army.

You are also correct it was a mistake - in a way. They deliberately launched the missile but thought the plane was a military one.

they have just shot down 2 Ukrainian fighter jets now too. Rebels would not know how to use such sophisticated equipment without trained soldiers showing them what to do.

Posted By: Tony Martin on July 23rd 2014 at 16:07:05

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Re Ukraine; ther's alot of sanctimonious, hypocritical pish being spouted by..... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:01:01
- FFS, you are so wrong. (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 23, 17:20:15
  - Cheers OM (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 17:44:26
    - Always happy to help (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 23, 17:45:49
- Good stuff. They can get back on with invading Europe now. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Jul 23, 16:29:35
- you are correct it was captured from Ukraine Army (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Jul 23, 16:07:05
  - They didn't deliberately lauch the missile and they weren't trained by Russians to use it (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:11:45
    - thats alright then (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 23, 16:16:15
      - thats pretty shocking (General Chat) - robotbear, Jul 23, 19:05:51
      - You said something funny (General Chat) - norway, Jul 23, 16:25:24
        
        plenty more of that (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 23, 16:28:11
      - I wasn't making light of it and neither should you, 298 people died FFS.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:21:24
        
        Surely the "vested" political interests, USA apart possibly, (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 23, 16:33:40
        
        Absolutely, anyone other than Russia, and the UN would have been on them like a ton of (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Jul 23, 16:37:19
        
        Not realyy, they'd all like to see Ukraine in the EU and NATO ultimately! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:37:04
        
        I think they'd reather see their economic and energy interest with (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 23, 16:41:32
        
        you set your self up (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 23, 16:27:23
        
        Take it or leave it, your loss, don't feel the need to justify myself to you! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:31:05
        
        you might one day (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 23, 16:31:34
        
        Erm.....NO! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:37:23
        
        Ha Ha (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 23, 16:52:16
      - rofl (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Jul 23, 16:19:35
      - Lol (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 23, 16:17:50
    - haha if you believe that you'll believe anything (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Jul 23, 16:13:24
      - You believe what you want, but don't prejudge a situation (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:24:12
        
        I will tell you what I know (General Chat) - emmaroyds, Jul 23, 16:35:43
        
        It doesn't take much skill to fire a point and shoot missile.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:44:23
        
        yeah I know (General Chat) - emmaroyds, Jul 23, 16:49:20
        
        you cant get much more reliable (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Jul 23, 16:30:49
        
        You are correct about the BUK, but many of the 'separatists' are mercenaries...... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:35:50
        
        But you said a minute ago (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 18:40:03
        
        Also, if it was a captured Ukraine one, wouldn't it be tied into their traffic control (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 23, 16:35:49
        
        Not without the Command vehicle, no it wouldn't. (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:39:32
        
        Ah. What puzzles me is, if they mistook it for a Ukrainian transport plane, why on earth (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 23, 16:43:46
        
        Without the command vehicle whose radar has an IFF capability (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 16:49:00
        
        ...you're saying it was "fired by mistake". (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 23, 17:28:53
        
        In that the rebels were trying to find out for themselves how the system worked.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 17:41:24
        
        Well on that we do agree (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 23, 17:43:58
        
        ...and on a technical point, wouldn't the radar even from one vehicle give altitude? (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 23, 17:36:04
        
        Unless its a 3D radar no it wouldn't, you require the IFF information from... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 17:42:27
        
        Can't you tell from how long the signal takes to get back to you? (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Jul 23, 17:45:35
        
        Not with raw radar data no, all you get is a contact on the screen.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Jul 23, 17:49:17
  - Well, I have to admit, having no (General Chat) - CB41, Jul 23, 16:10:38
    - Don't fret (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jul 23, 16:13:05

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