well, why has Holt been hopeless for Wigan and Villa this season?

Are you saying that Hughton effectively finished his career as a top player, and Holt lacks the character to bounce back?

You don't think it's more likely that a 32 year old, who didn't take great care of his body, was no longer up to the pace of the game?

Posted By: Mecagoenti on April 27th 2014 at 01:56:58

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I really don't get it (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Apr 27, 01:00:58
- maybe because the board have been brilliant since League 1 (NCFC) - usacanary, Apr 27, 01:51:33
- All went downhill when McNally said that stupid "Relegation would be worse than death" (NCFC) - thirsty work, Apr 27, 01:28:05
  - Agreed, but yet the board "haven't been questioned"? (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:29:43
    - It just seems like others get tremendously more blame (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Apr 27, 01:35:33
      - I don't know what it's like in the Seattle supporters club mate (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:43:04
        
        Sorry, don't understand your comment (n/m) (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Apr 27, 01:45:11
        
        He mesan (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:45:45
        
        ? (n/m) (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Apr 27, 01:47:13
        
        He means: "You're overseas. You're not allowed to comment on things he's seen IN THE FLESH (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:46:53
        
        But there has been a lot of criticisms toward the board. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:52:30
        
        Good response. :) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:54:54
        
        I see. But this whole thread sort of makes my point. (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Apr 27, 01:50:45
        
        It's Lurd getting all precious about seeing games in the flesh... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:49:19
    - We've questioned the national press - when they questioned DM's behaviour - far, far more (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:31:57
- I think the last few games have shown (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:10:23
  - Sorry but thats a ridiculous statement. We have been playing attractive footy under Adams (NCFC) - John in Texas, Apr 27, 04:37:19
  - YOu are judging the new man after results at home to Liverpool (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:19:14
  - I broadly agree. But I also think they've strongly suggested: (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:13:11
    - Quality has very little to (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:17:29
      - Do* with our failings. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:18:34
        
        With a wage bill in the bottom 4 of the division, I'd question that (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:23:38
        
        Let's not forget though that... (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 27, 11:30:20
        
        That is one of the truest posts I have ever read. (n/m) (NCFC) - bobble, Apr 27, 06:29:17
        
        I would be very shocked of (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:30:11
        
        Argh I can't type on my phone (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:31:52
        
        I think we must be. Only Palace, Hull and (maybe) Cardiff below us (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:39:40
        
        Our tactic going forward was give the ball to Snod and pray (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:25:45
        
        I think we had tactics under Hughton (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:21:39
        
        Who adopted "attacking tactics" away from home? It was Hughton! (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 01:25:31
        
        well yes, which looks like a mistake (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:31:31
        
        Hughton's defensive away tactics have led us to be the worst team away from home. (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 01:36:22
        
        i don't agree with that (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:39:46
        
        Couldn't score goals. The strikers Chris bought didn't deliver and that's cost us. (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 01:44:19
        
        yes, that's certainly one of the major problems (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:49:06
        
        Can't agree about Holt. He was finished by Hughton (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 01:53:56
        
        well, why has Holt been hopeless for Wigan and Villa this season? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:56:58
        
        Motivation. He's left the club he was adored at. All downhill from there really (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 02:00:58
        
        We got rid at the right time anyway. He was getting old and had lost his mojo here. (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 02:02:39
        
        He could see this all coming a mile away. Playing under Hughton must be joyless experience (n/m) (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 02:05:49
        
        he handed in a transfer request before Hughton was even appointed (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 02:07:21
        
        BS... Holt got 8 goals last season... it is hardly his fault (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:51:20
        
        We didn't win though. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:41:35
        
        26 goals, what on earth was Hughton doing in training.... (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:38:34
        
        Hughton didn't even know his best XI 3/4 through the season (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:33:45
        
        I'm not sure the idea of a first XI exists for a club like us (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:35:12
        
        bizarre because that's not what happened during the 1 win in 18 last season (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:36:42
        
        Boom! This, I'm afraid, is spot on (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:25:23
        
        The players had become tired and the coaching staff complacent (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:27:52
        
        The players have a new voice now. Yet we're actually getting worse (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:30:28
        
        Sadly there is neither the time or correct fixtures for the new man to do anything (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:32:32
        
        He's actually had them playing well in 2 halves of 2 games (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:35:54
        
        I think we were clueless in the final third under Hughton (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:23:26
        
        Notice you fail (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:23:12
        
        Ffs (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:24:08
        
        Nobody on here knows what went on in the dressing room (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Apr 27, 10:14:41
        
        Not really sure what you mean by motivation (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:28:21
        
        tbh we have looked complacent all season. Like a bunch of prima donnas who have made it (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:30:37
        
        well, that's your interpretation (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:34:03
        
        We haven't missed many key chances, we've barely had any. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:39:20
        
        I don't think we have created the least chances (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:44:36
        
        Of course it is! (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:50:38
        
        And how do you work on your defence? (NCFC) - DJ Ginga, Apr 27, 11:37:25
        
        I think it's a lazy argument to say the manager is responsible for strikers missing chance (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:54:46
        
        I agree about 60% or so. The other 40% says that in happy, confident sides, the goals come (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:57:19
        
        I think it's a lot about momentum and runs of form as well (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:59:55
        
        Just a question.. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 02:03:23
        
        of course - he has to take a fair share of the responsibility (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 02:06:37
        
        Fair enough, agree he has us looking ok at home. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 02:11:23
        
        Had* (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 02:13:08
        
        That 11th place finish really papered over the cracks of a terrible 2013 for the club (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 02:10:41
        
        also - a particular bugbear of mine (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 02:09:41
        
        You know what I think, I thought he did ok here - far too focussed on defense (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 02:13:06
        
        haha! I wouldn't believe it even if he claims he does! (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 02:05:47
        
        He dropped Hooper for his mistake against Cardiff (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:56:40
        
        How do you know that? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:57:39
        
        It is pretty clear as day... given defensive mistakes are all Hughton ever goes on about (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:59:01
        
        Yes, as he signed these players. Although I would add (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:47:03
        
        we've been rubbish all season... as as Hughton showed last season (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:35:07
    - I think we massively over-achieved in both of the previous two seasons (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:17:05
      - We needed a motivator, Hughton was too relaxed. Lambert was a disciplinarian (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 01:22:20
        
        I think it's a bit simplistic to see it like that (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:25:27
        
        I'm not talking about Villa. At Norwich he had players running through brick walls. (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Apr 27, 01:27:54
        
        you don't know that there would have been a 2nd season syndrome under Lambert (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:26:36
      - Our players, on paper are much better than Palace's (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:21:30
        
        Palace's players aren't good enough either. What's going on there is freakish (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:27:28
        
        Ok compare us to Hull. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:33:38
        
        Well - frankly, yes. It's their greatest season since I don't know when (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:41:05
        
        I think it's difficult to compare with a team in their first season up (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:37:55
        
        Is there anyone we are allowed to be compared to? (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:44:40
        
        you can compare us to anyone you like (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 01:46:57
        
        Agree. That's exactly it. (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:41:54
        
        Well... palace had no bloody momentum... ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:39:31
        
        How about Cardiff who blew their massive budget on average players (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:36:08
      - pffftt look at the shite in squads like Hull, Cardiff, and Palace (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:21:02
        
        No, it shouldn't. That's all part of the delusion I'm referring to (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:38:42
        
        The 11th was a false finish... about 7 teams all within 4 points of each other (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 01:42:03
        
        No it wasn't the league is over 38 games not 36 (NCFC) - Mickdundee, Apr 27, 10:07:38
        
        it masked the fact we were not safe until the penultimate game (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 10:36:29
  - He's hardly had a chance to prove himself though. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:12:17
- People do and have questioned the board. (NCFC) - lurd, Apr 27, 01:09:05
- They always get off lightly with us. It's because we see them as just like us I think (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Apr 27, 01:06:18

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