Yes I do acknowledge that

I have said before i think it was just a hugely catastrophic coming together of circumstances and a catalogue of mistakes by lots of people/organisations. I'm generally a bit uneasy with the blame culture we have these days in the country/world as a whole and the need for individual people to be hauled over the coals although i can of course understand the grieving relatives wanting to see that happen and also wanting to expose the subsequent cover up.

It probably would not have happened if there were no fences. It probably would not have happened were it not for the choice of ground/ends. The stewards on the day under pressure made mistakes. The police clearly made errors, some of which were critical. I'm just not so sure how you apportion blame to any one individual or organisation (although those found to be responsible for the deliberate cover up should be held to account).

What i also struggle to accept is that large numbers of fans turning up close to kick off and clamouring to get in played no part whatsoever in what happened or that some people did not try to get in without tickets. It seems to me that even the slightest suggestion that this was a contributory factor is shouted down but from my own experience of attending football for many years I think its wrong to even acknowledge that this was a factor in the mix that ended up in tragedy. What i will also say though is that had I been attending that match and been stuck outside the turnstyles with 5 minutes to kick off i probably would have been pushing to get in as well. Its what fans did (of some clubs (not just Liverpool) more than others) and often will still do (hence my point it cannot be dismissed as a factor completely) and clearly the authorities should have known this and had the ground/systems/knowhow to cope with it.

Posted By: Jim on April 22nd 2014 at 11:53:29

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Scousers, love them or hate them? (NCFC) - martirey27, Apr 22, 10:23:10
- Clickbait. (NCFC) - Bungle, Apr 22, 10:51:03
- Just poke a scouser with a stick...... (NCFC) - yellowman, Apr 22, 10:50:30
- oh dear. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Apr 22, 10:49:02
- "the Liverpool fans need to take some of the blame" (NCFC) - norway, Apr 22, 10:45:29
  - Apologies (NCFC) - martirey27, Apr 22, 10:50:39
    - good call (NCFC) - jAC, Apr 22, 11:23:31
    - Good. (NCFC) - norway, Apr 22, 10:53:07
      - So demoralising to know that these kind of opinions are still so prevalent. (NCFC) - Yellalee, Apr 22, 10:55:32
        
        Remember all the Dean Ashton gash. All that crap about him hating Norfolk (NCFC) - pants, Apr 22, 11:22:22
        
        not to mention all that pretending to be injured stuff. Then he didn't play for West Ham (NCFC) - pants, Apr 22, 11:29:56
        
        *if anyone's thinking "wtf" * (NCFC) - pants, Apr 22, 11:34:16
        
        To be fair, people are entitled to hold whatever opinion they like and (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 22, 11:01:57
        
        Yes. And that's the great thing about such freedoms. (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Apr 22, 11:14:37
        
        Yes, people are entitled to be fucking idiots. It is indeed a free country in that regard. (n/m) (NCFC) - norway, Apr 22, 11:04:56
        
        Yep good old 'freedom of speech' argument there. (NCFC) - Yellalee, Apr 22, 11:04:29
        
        Its not a freedom of speech argument though is it (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 22, 11:21:06
        
        An inquest is to determine cause of death (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 22, 11:25:08
        
        Yes I do acknowledge that (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 22, 11:53:29
        
        There was a massive crush outside at 2.40pm (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 22, 12:02:12
        
        "not" even acknowledge even! (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 22, 11:55:26
        
        Sorry - I acknowledge they were not to blame. The other "not" was later in the post! (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 22, 11:57:04
        
        Indeed (NCFC) - norway, Apr 22, 10:59:02
- A dreadful piece of writing. (n/m) (NCFC) - Upperjarroldmiddle, Apr 22, 10:42:56
- Far to many words (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Apr 22, 10:35:30
- I speak as someone on here who is no fan of he scousers and (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 22, 10:33:42
- Well, that's the last "Yarmy" link I bother readung (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Apr 22, 10:31:46
  - I did say it was controversial (NCFC) - martirey27, Apr 22, 10:38:03
    - Well his *opinion* is wrong, inflammatory and utterly disgraceful. (NCFC) - norway, Apr 22, 10:46:57
  - Ahem. Reading. (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Apr 22, 10:33:36
- Liverpool fans were *in no way* to blame for Hillsborough (NCFC) - mr chimp, Apr 22, 10:29:45
- Great stuff. Another Hillsborough debate. Just what the board needs. (NCFC) - Yellalee, Apr 22, 10:26:16
- ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - jAC, Apr 22, 10:25:42

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