yes it is different

if you trip up a player running through on goal you are denying them a goalscoring opportunity i.e. they might score without your offence.

If you handle a ball that has already left their boot and isn't going in you aren't denying them a goalscoring opportunity - they've already done that by hitting an inaccurate shot.

Posted By: mr carra on March 24th 2014 at 10:47:45

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Shearer on MOTD. Such a dimwit. Really banal and dull punditry. Perfect for the BBC. (NCFC) - Pit, Mar 24, 10:11:17
- A week ago he predicted we would go down (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Mar 24, 10:32:17
  - given there's an approximate correlation between level of wage bill and finishing position (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Mar 24, 10:40:52
- MotD need a bloody good shake up, I suggest they get Siobhan Sharpe in to sort it out! (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Mar 24, 10:24:18
  - They need a decent ex-coach on there. (n/m) (NCFC) - BINMEN8R, Mar 24, 10:38:22
    - They need someone who wasn't an ex pro to represent the real world (n/m) (NCFC) - Ben, Mar 24, 10:50:50
      - Some of the less famous ex pros are much better pundits (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 10:55:36
- Thinks diving to save a shot with your hand should be a yellow card (NCFC) - Ben, Mar 24, 10:16:21
  - Was Mel Machin sent off against Villa in 75? that was a great save (n/m) (NCFC) - BSE Canary, Mar 24, 10:26:07
    - Dunno but he had a nice file. (n/m) (NCFC) - ghost of hucks, Mar 24, 10:48:05
    - It was almost impossible to get sent off in those days (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 10:34:28
  - He's right if it's going wide, surely? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:25:34
    - How is the referee meant to know if its just inside the post or just outside? (NCFC) - Ben, Mar 24, 10:29:00
      - simple - if he's not sure it's going in he should just give a yellow (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 10:40:21
        
        All referees give based on what they think they see (NCFC) - Ben, Mar 24, 10:44:40
      - I'm just going by the rules. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:31:31
        
        He was trying to deny a goal-scoring opportunity. (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Mar 24, 10:38:33
        
        see below - look at the rule (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:41:08
        
        It was very much a goal scoring opportunity (NCFC) - Ben, Mar 24, 10:58:14
        
        No it wasn't. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 11:19:25
        
        that's stretching it quite a bit (NCFC) - CWC, Mar 24, 11:16:56
        
        He either denied a goal (red card) or he didn't (yellow card) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 11:22:09
        
        But he didn't stop him from shooting (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 11:15:10
        
        He didn't deny a goalscoring opportunity. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 11:04:32
        
        VMT (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 10:46:00
    - Correct. Deliberate handball is a yellow - see Alonso. (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 10:26:57
      - Which it plainly didn't (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:28:13
        
        Indeed ox's stupidity shouldn't be a factor (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 10:47:59
    - (but the stuff about "what do [NCFC fans] expect?" was tiresome (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:26:44
      - But he's a Geordie and they're MASSIVE! (n/m) (NCFC) - Kirrie, Mar 24, 10:34:34
      - Yeah - massively patronising (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 10:27:44
  - Deliberate handball = yellow card, no? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 10:21:44
    - Suarez got sent off in the World Cup. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pit, Mar 24, 10:22:19
      - Wasn't the ball going in though? (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 10:23:08
        
        Yes. (n/m) (NCFC) - Pit, Mar 24, 10:25:28
        
        That's the difference, right? Suarez was sent off for denying a goal. (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Mar 24, 10:26:16
        
        Don't all handballs have to be deliberate? (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Mar 24, 10:35:54
        
        No you are wrong (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 10:48:47
        
        rule says nothing about 'trying' to prevent a goalscoring op (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:39:53
        
        Er holt's red was rescinded due to error of judgement (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 10:51:17
        
        Then no-one would ever be sent off (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Mar 24, 10:42:37
        
        yes it is different (NCFC) - mr carra, Mar 24, 10:47:45
        
        Bit different to if the ball is clearly going wide (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 10:46:38
        
        Was it clearly going wide though? We don't know because he saved it. (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Mar 24, 10:50:08
        
        It was definitely going wide (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 10:56:33
        
        Impossible for the ref to have known (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 11:04:17
        
        Are you ok? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 10:52:10
        
        That's why they put "deny a clear goalscoring opportunity" in the rule. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Mar 24, 10:45:07
        
        Yes. I think you are right. I wasnt sure if the Gibbs save was on target. (NCFC) - Pit, Mar 24, 10:27:37
  - In response to NCFC fans critistism of CH. (NCFC) - Pit, Mar 24, 10:18:50
    - It was the look on his face that was more annoying than what he said (NCFC) - duke of york, Mar 24, 10:24:38
    - Exactly (NCFC) - Yellalee, Mar 24, 10:22:14
- Why is he perfect for the bbc? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Mar 24, 10:15:53
  - They like a dull, banal pundit. (NCFC) - Pit, Mar 24, 10:17:59

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