socialism comes in many shades of red

I'm not sure there have ever really been any 'true' socialists in your dictionary definition sense of the word. I can perhaps think of some small scale examples of colelctivisation during the Spanish Civil War etc, but nothing on a national (or enduring) scale. It's simply not human nature.

So you'll find most 'socialists' simply make do with achieving what they can against the wider backdrop of the general principles underpinning socialism as a concept.

Posted By: CWC on March 11th 2014 at 17:15:31

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Will the RMT hold a two-day stoppage out of respect? (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Mar 11, 15:10:55
- A huge funeral cort?ge that brings London to a standstill would be apposite (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Mar 11, 16:54:32
- am sure they'll mark his passing appropriately. he was brilliant for them (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 15:12:58
  - Which made him bad for all the rest of us (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Mar 11, 16:14:02
    - speak for yourself (n/m) (General Chat) - matt in london, Mar 11, 17:14:49
      - I wish I was represented by a union led by someone like him (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Mar 11, 18:56:58
    - live with it (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:21:46
      - I don't need to, he's already dead (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Mar 11, 16:28:42
        
        i am sure his successor will strive to represent his/her members equally well (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:32:01
        
        I'm sure there won't. clearly the membership regard that as a salary worth paying (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:49:17
        
        i am sure they won't. clearly the membership regard that as a salary worth paying (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:47:27
        
        There won't be any shortage of applicants for the ?145,000 per year position (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Mar 11, 16:44:58
        
        Why should the position be paid less? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Mar 11, 16:49:49
        
        I'm not saying it should (General Chat) - Ben, Mar 11, 16:54:00
        
        The MPs that Bob Crow said only yesterday should be paid more? (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Mar 11, 16:55:14
        
        I think most people would consider ?60k+ plenty (n/m) (General Chat) - Ben, Mar 11, 18:27:10
        
        more pertinently what's it got to do with anyone apart from the RMT? (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:52:30
        
        Quite (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Mar 11, 16:54:03
  - pay rise every year he was gen sec, improved pensions etc (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 11, 15:59:45
    - is that ultimately affordable though? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 11, 17:08:21
      - i doubt it but there we go, that's what he did (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 11, 17:47:26
    - he was.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 11, 16:01:33
  - But perhaps not for the rest of us. I really don't understand (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 15:23:20
    - it wasn't his job to be brilliant for you (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 15:31:11
      - To many he was a total arse hole. Doesn't change just because he's dead (General Chat) - Hulk Rules, Mar 11, 18:08:45
        
        I haven't read them - all i said was he was brilliant for his members (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 18:13:33
        
        Agree 100% with that (n/m) (General Chat) - Hulk Rules, Mar 11, 20:38:12
      - But how does that square with Socialism? Surely you cannot (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 15:46:52
        
        maybe them workers could get themselves organised? (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 15:57:46
        
        some... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 11, 16:02:27
        
        yep, but huge majority of members are not (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:06:45
        
        yes.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 11, 16:26:23
        
        they're elected by the members (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:27:43
        
        and time has shown.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Mar 11, 16:30:53
        
        Maybe lots of things. Still makes Crow's Socialist stance (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 16:01:50
        
        it's not hypocritical, it's just he didn't have the power to do anything wider (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Mar 11, 16:09:36
        
        Absolutely. (General Chat) - bird table, Mar 11, 16:55:31
        
        Sorry, I don't see how you can embrace a world view such as Socialism does (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 16:53:57
        
        socialism comes in many shades of red (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 11, 17:15:31
        
        ^ this ^ (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 17:26:05
        
        His particular brand of Socialism looked indistinguishable (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 17:19:10
        
        is it not? (General Chat) - CWC, Mar 11, 17:41:52
        
        Not of your group in preference to the rest of humanity. (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 18:18:27
        
        WUT (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Mar 11, 16:59:32
        
        Yes, he should. If he wasn't a hypocrite. He could have (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 17:06:13
        
        are you seriously claiming that Bob Crow is a hypocrite (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Mar 11, 17:10:29
        
        No, because he jsut screwed as much money as he could (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 17:15:47
        
        oh please (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 17:08:50
        
        Oh please indeed. Screwing as much money as you can out of the rest (General Chat) - dennis moore, Mar 11, 17:13:36
        
        yeah fuck it, should have let all his members get real time pay cuts and loads sacked (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Mar 11, 16:03:27

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