Sorry I disagree

A season can be influenced by all sorts of things which can have a bearing on the league table. I'm not denying we finished 11th. It's there in black and white. He ultimately kept us up which meant he did an acceptable job last season (don't agree just keeping us up equates to quite the same this season). He has my respect for managing that.

However the 11th place finish is being portrayed as some kind of magnificent achievement whereas the reality is that the tightness of the league coupled with us winning away at Man City on the last day meant we finished higher than we would have done had Man City given a sh*t. We were not the 11th best team in that division and had we finished 15th or 16th nobody would be saying that we deserved to finish higher because we all know that in reality we neatly went down. If we'd finished 16th do you think that would be banded around as an "astonishing achievement?" No it wouldn't. Acceptable yes and mission accomplished but now the fact we finished 11th appears to be being used (in part) to justify keeping him on which to me is worrying.

Posted By: Jim on February 15th 2014 at 08:37:12

Message Thread

Is McNally REALLY saying our wage bill was lower than Reading's last season? Really? (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Feb 15, 00:01:41
- So you're prepared to accept the educated guesswork of a nobody as gospel? (NCFC) - Arganth, Feb 15, 08:53:31
- McNally economical with the truth? No way!! (NCFC) - CWC, Feb 15, 08:45:22
- Saints and Wigan would def have been higher.. (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 08:06:38
- He's just making excuses to justify not having sacked our sh*t manager (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:05:02
  - Hoot did Dona terrific job LAST year... (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 08:15:06
    - Nope we were utter fucking dogshite for the entirety of 2013 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:30:18
      - Did you take Mcnallys comments on budget... (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 08:54:16
        
        No need for abuse you cunt (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:03:14
        
        Have some of your own medicine... (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 09:13:08
        
        Very rarely tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:14:38
      - 10-game run apart, we've been mostly shit under Hughton (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Feb 15, 08:52:05
        
        Yep (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:54:08
      - No (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 08:48:12
        
        Which part? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:56:53
        
        The 'we were utter f**king dogs**te for the entirety of 2013' bit. (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 09:10:12
        
        I enjoyed both Everton games (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:13:20
        
        So why sweep away the whole year in your post? That's why I disagreed with you! (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 09:16:33
        
        Was being general (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:17:47
        
        lol ffs (n/m) (NCFC) - Pixelman, Feb 15, 09:25:27
        
        Well it waters down your argument in my opinion! (n/m) (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 09:21:36
        
        Relegation form for a year - simply dire (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:33:09
        
        it's what he does - generalist, sweeping statements (NCFC) - Dirty Delia, Feb 15, 09:25:37
        
        No, what he does is... (NCFC) - Arganth, Feb 15, 13:02:41
        
        man u., arsenal at home, swansea away. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 15, 09:12:44
        
        Stoke away was a textbook performance ... (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 09:14:55
        
        Stoke were awful (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:19:29
        
        2012 (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:14:10
        
        ah well. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 15, 09:15:28
    - He did ok. I would not say terrific. (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:21:35
- 12/13 season was the second tranche of the ?20+ mill debt repayment, (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Feb 15, 07:55:59
- reading i agree (NCFC) - robotbear, Feb 15, 07:03:04
- so he's not telling the truth and therefore can't be trusted (NCFC) - earlydoors, Feb 15, 06:33:48
  - VMT get him out (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:30:58
- Sounds to me like.... (NCFC) - ghost of hucks, Feb 15, 00:26:39
- Agreed, sounds like excuses are being lined up if relegated (NCFC) - roedtonowhere, Feb 15, 00:15:03
  - Which is annoying since whatever he claims (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:07:53
    - No. I was responding to the assertion in Jim's post that we would have finished 5 places (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 08:40:56
      - It doesn't annoy me (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:48:32
        
        The other way to look at it is, it's a very competitive league. It's incredibly hard for (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 08:56:10
        
        You could but we will just have to agree to disagree on that (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 09:01:27
      - Nobody dislikes hughton (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:46:20
        
        I just can't be the sort of fan who wishes a loss or a lower place finish in (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 08:49:47
        
        None of us are doing that (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:57:45
        
        I got the impression that was what Scc was doing (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 09:14:57
        
        In hindsight of course! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:22:28
        
        He is on his last legs pretty clear to me... (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 09:03:07
        
        They need to make the decision soon though (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 09:05:42
        
        I'd be amazed if he was fired after all that's happened (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 09:09:50
        
        Why would one call someone "a cunt" if they didn't dislike them? (n/m) (NCFC) - Arganth, Feb 15, 08:48:51
        
        BOOM! (n/m) (NCFC) - Dirty Delia, Feb 15, 09:14:03
        
        If they've done a cuntish thing (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:58:33
        
        Ha ha so much this (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Feb 15, 08:55:50
    - That is just a ridiculous thing to say! We didn't finish 11th as the result of one match. (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 08:23:18
      - Sorry I disagree (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:37:12
        
        I s'pose the point I was trying to make to you and Scc is that I'm not sure people have (NCFC) - Bravo win or die, Feb 15, 08:47:00
        
        Our CEO said it yesterday as part of his defence of keeping Hoot (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Feb 15, 08:51:32
      - wow people still dining out on that meaningless 11th (NCFC) - SCC 28, Feb 15, 08:33:46
      - well said. (n/m) (NCFC) - Dirty Delia, Feb 15, 08:28:03

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