A lot of the counter-arguments about people slating Holt ...

including mine, have said - blame Worthington, he picks the team. A lot of the abuse aimed at Holt has been very, very harsh and a lot of it unfair but the sad fact was that he was never up to the job.

Holt got slaughtered against Fulham and hasn't really had a good game all season. He clearly wasn't up to the job because he clearly wasn't fit. I voted for Holt as POTS in 2002 but the levels of fitness that enabled him to turn out those performances obviously weren't there in 2004-5.

The argument about training doesn't really hold because football is about what happens in the matches. It makes no difference if a player looks good in training - if a player is visibly getting over-run in competitive games it's up to the manager to do something about it.

Posted By: Ottosson Foxtrot on May 22nd 2005 at 19:51:48

Message Thread

This Francis thing (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:32:06
- Laziness. (n/m) (NCFC) - KentonCanary, May 22, 19:34:25
- He doesn't look interested (NCFC) - DDiM, May 22, 19:33:50
  - End of the season (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:37:58
    - How? When? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:38:50
      - He was in the team - wasn't he? (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:43:10
        
        But he did very little in those games ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:47:15
        
        Since Safri came into the team (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:53:19
        
        Even when we were still without Safri and Bentley, Francis has been off-key. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:58:03
  - Not really true thought is it, Holt gives 100% and still gets shit... (NCFC) - vstevenson, May 22, 19:36:37
    - People's issues about Gary Holt ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:40:56
      - Re: (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:50:14
        
        But no explanation has been offered, and it's been a problem since winter. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:55:53
        
        By the way, it's not "al" Fayed - never has been (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 20:19:56
        
        Off-topic perhaps, but thanks anyway. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 20:22:37
        
        PE is great for that sort of stuff (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 20:27:15
        
        Fulham (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 20:00:58
        
        I agree in principle, but if he played like a loyal player he'd been treated like one. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 20:04:41
      - couldn't disagree more.... (NCFC) - vstevenson, May 22, 19:44:08
        
        A lot of the counter-arguments about people slating Holt ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:51:48
- The lazy nature of his performances, particularly against Fulham. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:33:08
  - Fulham game (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:35:35
    - That's not how I remember the first goal (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 19:46:15
      - Don't get me wrong (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:56:08
        
        Again, my memory is hazy, but McBride certainly wasn't played onside by Helveg (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 20:12:38
    - Helveg made a schoolboy error ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:37:45

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