But he did very little in those games ...

... I was at the Charlton game and barely noticed Francis. He contributed less against Man Utd than any other member of the team.

IMO, the big differences were made by:

Helveg (the defence looked far more organised when he was in it, and we looked far better at playing the ball out of defence intelligently rather than just trying to hoof it at Ashton or find Hucks to launch an attack quickly).

Ashton, who scored a couple of crucial winners in games where we hadn't played very well (and, if we're honest, the wins against Charlton, Newcastle and Birmingham weren't that impressive as performances)

Shackell, who played well and brought the best out of Fleming

Safri, who was a revelation in centre midfield.

And - when he could be bothered - Bentley (in fits and starts).

I really don't remember Francis contributing anything of note in those games.

Posted By: Ottosson Foxtrot on May 22nd 2005 at 19:47:15

Message Thread

This Francis thing (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:32:06
- Laziness. (n/m) (NCFC) - KentonCanary, May 22, 19:34:25
- He doesn't look interested (NCFC) - DDiM, May 22, 19:33:50
  - End of the season (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:37:58
    - How? When? (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:38:50
      - He was in the team - wasn't he? (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:43:10
        
        But he did very little in those games ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:47:15
        
        Since Safri came into the team (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:53:19
        
        Even when we were still without Safri and Bentley, Francis has been off-key. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:58:03
  - Not really true thought is it, Holt gives 100% and still gets shit... (NCFC) - vstevenson, May 22, 19:36:37
    - People's issues about Gary Holt ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:40:56
      - Re: (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:50:14
        
        But no explanation has been offered, and it's been a problem since winter. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:55:53
        
        By the way, it's not "al" Fayed - never has been (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 20:19:56
        
        Off-topic perhaps, but thanks anyway. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 20:22:37
        
        PE is great for that sort of stuff (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 20:27:15
        
        Fulham (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 20:00:58
        
        I agree in principle, but if he played like a loyal player he'd been treated like one. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 20:04:41
      - couldn't disagree more.... (NCFC) - vstevenson, May 22, 19:44:08
        
        A lot of the counter-arguments about people slating Holt ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:51:48
- The lazy nature of his performances, particularly against Fulham. (n/m) (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:33:08
  - Fulham game (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:35:35
    - That's not how I remember the first goal (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 19:46:15
      - Don't get me wrong (NCFC) - BB_King, May 22, 19:56:08
        
        Again, my memory is hazy, but McBride certainly wasn't played onside by Helveg (n/m) (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 22, 20:12:38
    - Helveg made a schoolboy error ... (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, May 22, 19:37:45

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